I think these committees need to make it clear that they’re not going to fool with any embryos where there’s any possibility that they could be fertilized and become human beings?
Here is the Clinton Test, before any human embryo can ever be used to extract stem cells for research, it must be proven scientifically to have not yet been fertilized. That is, of course, impossible.
CHESAPEAKE, Va. (Catholic Online) – If there is a “Senior Democratic Statesman” these days it is former President Bill Clinton. He has clearly become the "Ex-President in Chief". He can be found pontificating regularly on almost every public policy issue. He presents himself well, dresses impeccably and is usually a poised, articulate and interesting interview, even when I disagree with him. So, it was only natural that when Dr. Sanjay Gupta, himself a talented communicator, was scheduled to interview the former President on CNN’s “Larry King Live”, I wanted to be a part of the large viewing audience. After all, Gupta’s capacity as a communicator was certainly part of the reason that the current administration sought his assistance as Surgeon General, a position which he declined.
There was one part of the interview which deserves an overused word as a descriptor, it was simply “astounding”, in the negative sense of that word. Perhaps better, it was simply dumbfounding! I present it in full for my readers, with some emphasis added by me to make the point of this piece:
Gupta: Let’s talk about something you talked a lot about in the early part of your presidency, stem cells. There was an order today providing federal money for embryonic stem cell research. First of all, let me just ask you, as someone who studied this, is this going to always be as divisive an issue as it is now? Is this going to be the abortion of the next generation? Or are people going to come around?
Clinton: I think - the answer is I think that we’ll work it through. If - particularly if it’s done right. If it’s obvious that we’re not taking embryos that can - that under any conceivable scenario would be used for a process that would allow them to be fertilized and become little babies, and I think if it’s obvious that we’re not talking about some science fiction cloning of human beings, then I think the American people will support this….
Gupta: Any reservations?
Clinton: I don’t know that I have any reservations, but I was - he has apparently decided to leave to the relevant professional committees the definition of which frozen embryos are basically going to be discarded, because they’re not going to be fertilized. I believe the American people believe it’s a pro-life decision to use an embryo that’s frozen and never going to be fertilized for embryonic stem cell research….
But those committees need to be really careful to make sure if they don’t want a big storm to be stirred up here, that any of the embryos that are used clearly have been placed beyond the pale of being fertilized before their use. There are a large number of embryos that we know are never going to be fertilized, where the people who are in control of them have made that clear. The research ought to be confined to those….
But there are values involved that we all ought to feel free to discuss in all scientific research. And that is the one thing that I think these committees need to make it clear that they’re not going to fool with any embryos where there’s any possibility, even if it’s somewhat remote, that they could be fertilized and become human beings.
Now, after reading this, you see why it merits the words “astounding” and why I was “dumbfounded”. Jill Stanek, the Pro-Life Champion Nurse who exposed the evil practice of intentionally killing babies who survived abortion, and then connected our current President and his then Church and denomination with the practice, first called attention to this interview. She is a modern day Joan of Arc, leading the resistance against the jaws of the Culture of death in an age filled with emasculated men and sadly deluded people; I say “Thank you Jill”. In my dream administration of the future, she would hold a position of great importance helping to oversee health care.
Now, beside the fact that the Doctor’s failure to correct the former President’s error in the interview concerning the most mundane FACT of embryology, namely that to be an embryo the human ovum must be fertilized, the Doctor’s performance in the interview made me doubly glad he withdrew his name from consideration to be the top Doc of the United States. This man is a brain surgeon. He certainly knows this fact.Every single embryo has already been fertilized. Why did he not correct the former President?
Now, there are only two explanations for this blatant error in the former President’s response to Dr. Gupta's questions. Either he was not aware of the SCIENTIFIC, BIOLOGICAL FACT that human embryos are all fertilized and are all slated for full development if they are not killed through the extraction of their stem cells. Or,and this is the only other option, that he was intentionally lying in order to further the propaganda effort surrounding the current Administrations brutal assault on human life in its ...
Isn't this a bit disengenous? The past 8 years under the Bush administration these embryos haven't been able to be used for research. So they've been incinerated as hazardous material. Where was all of the outrage then? The research being done now will save many lives. As Catholics, I believe it's our duty to support that. I do agree that we must also be vigilant and make sure that science doesn't go too far with the technology, and start creating embryos just to destroy them. But these were leftover embryos that were never going to be be used or develop. It's criminal to just waste them.
Corey Schmitz | 3/20/2009
This is interesting. I think Clinton likely misspoke/wasn't thinking when doing this interview.
A lot of dems say that embryos have a shelf life when frozen, and that embryos experimented on would be the old ones that wouldn't survive implantation.
This is not even viably true. If an embryo cannot implant because of how damaged it is, scientists are not going to want to use it. Scientists don't want to use "damaged goods" and will choose healthy embryos to derive tests for.
Karen | 3/17/2009
Deacon Fournier,
An excellent article. However, you are not aware that the medical community has redrawn the beginning of life. The current standard is that human life does not exist until the point of implantation in the uterine wall, some four days after fertilization. It is only a matter of time and secular pressure before they redefine human life to begin after the 24th or so week since the last menses. May God have mercy on us!
Klaus
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