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Shopping for a Church? Give me that Real Old Time Religion

6/1/2011

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sayings of the early fathers is from Cyprian of Carthage who wrote, "He cannot have God for his father who has not the church for his mother". We do not shop for a Church because it is the Lord Himself who came for us and calls us to Himself. "You did not choose me but I chose you."(John 15:16)

The early Christians and the Church

The early Christians believed that to belong to Jesus was to belong to His Church with no separation. Of that there is no doubt. They believed that just as we were all born from our mother's womb - so we are invited by God, in and through Jesus Christ, to be "born again" into the Church, the new humanity which is being re-created in Him. Catholics, Orthodox and other what I will call "classical" Christians still believe this. They believe that the process of redemption begins when we pass through the Sacramental Waters of the font of Holy Baptism. It continues as we cooperate with the Grace given to us in our life within the Church. It will only be fully completed when the Lord Returns and we are raised in Resurrected Bodies and live in a new heaven and a new earth!

This understanding of the Church as a real participation in Christ and entry into the very Trinitarian Communion runs throughout the writings of the early Church Fathers. Let me share just two snippets as an example. First some words from Origen: "Christ has flooded the universe with divine and sanctifying waves. For the thirsty he sends a spring of living water from the wound which the spear opened in His side. From the wound in Christ's side has come forth the Church, and He has made her His bride" Then, a few words from Bishop Ireneaeus of Lyons, a disciple of Polycarp who was himself a disciple of the Apostle John: "We need to take refuge with the Church, to drink milk at her breast, to be fed with the scriptures of the Lord. For the Church has been planted in the world as a paradise" The early Christians did not see the Church as something onerous or optional, they saw it as normative for every Christian and life giving.

"Church shopping" is symptomatic of a deep longing to belong to God. We should appreciate that longing and respect it. However, it suffers from an inadequate ecclesiology, which is a theology of the Church. One of the problems we face in discussing this topic is that some of our Christian friends have rejected any discussion of theology at all. It has become a suspect word in certain Christian circles. Theology is, according to a common definition, "faith seeking understanding." In an age that has elevated shallow thinking to an acceptable state of being; I believe that we need all the intelligent reflection on what it truly means to be a Christian that we can find!

The Church is not about "function", or "benefit derived"- at least in the contemporary sense of meaning what we "get" or what we do - or is it even primarily a matter of our own personal experience. Rather it is about a continuing, lived, dynamic, relational encounter with the Lord and all those who are now joined to Him in His Mystical Body. The Church comes from above. It is a participation in the Divine Nature, instituted by the Lord and not designed or redesigned by us. The Apostle Peter wrote of this truth in his second letter to the dispersed early Christians: "His divine power has bestowed on us everything that makes for life and devotion, through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and power. Through these, he has bestowed on us the precious and very great promises, so that through them you may come to share in the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4)

The Church is a "mystery" (the Greek word "mysterion"). It cannot be fully grasped or explained by words. St. Paul writes regularly of this mystery. His writings concerning the Church in his letters to the Corinthians, the Romans, the Ephesians and the Philippians all demonstrate the integral place of the Church in his understanding of the Christian faith. His encounter with the Risen Lord on the way to Damascus reveals the ground of his ecclesiology. (Acts 9: 1-22): We read, "Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to Him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And He said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting."

The voice Paul (then Saul) heard from heaven asked him why he persecuted "Me". Saul had never met Jesus in the flesh. He had however persecuted the Church. Jesus is identified with the Church and her members. He is really, truly present in His Body on the earth. In the words of St. Augustine, the "whole Christ" cannot be separated, " the body as a unity cannot be separated from the head." The Church is an encounter with that whole Christ, the Risen Lord and an entrance through Him into the Trinitarian communion. That encounter and the relationship it supports is spoken of throughout the Christian Tradition as being 'nuptial', this is wedding language; the Christian vocation is to be espoused to Jesus Christ as a bride to a bridegroom for all eternity.

Let me share some of the language used for describing the Church found in the early Christian writings. The Church is a gift - and a seed of the Kingdom to come. The Church is the vine into which we are grafted. The Church is the Risen Jesus, Sacramentally present in the world. The Church is the new family begun at the Cross. The Church is where we can learn to love as we enter into the very communion of the Love of the Godhead revealed in the total gift of the Son of God on the second tree of the Cross. Birthed from the wounded side of the Savior, who is the "New Adam", on the altar of the Cross, the Church is His Body continuing His redemptive mission on the earth.

See how different all of this is from the idea of finding a place where we can have lattes and listen to good music? All of these images of the Church which I just used are found in the Sacred Scriptures and expounded upon within our common Christian tradition. We do not make the Church in our image, the Church re-makes us into Christ's Image through the grace which is mediated through the Sacraments, revealed in His Word and experienced in our ecclesial life together. This is heart of the ecclesiology so evident in the earliest Christian literature; a view of the Church which is dramatically different than the notion revealed in that interview and in that book.

One of my favorite contemporary theologians is an Orthodox layman named Olivier Clement. He writes of the absolute splendor of the Church in a manner which reveals that the same experience of the Church which characterized the early Christian fathers is being experienced today:

"In the Risen Christ, in his glorified body, in the very opening of His wounds, it is no longer death that reigns but the Spirit, the Breath of Life. And the cross of victory and of light, which is the pattern of our baptism, can henceforth transform the most desperate situation into a death-and-resurrection, a 'Passover', a crossing-point on the way to eternity. And that is what the Church, this profoundly holy institution is: it is the baptismal womb, the Eucharistic chalice, the breach made for eternity by the Resurrection in the hellish lid of the fallen world.

"The Church is the Mystery of the Risen Lord, the place, and the only one, where separation is completely overcome; where paschal joy, the 'feast of feasts', the triumph over death and hell are offered to our freedom, enabling it to become creative and work towards the final manifestation of that triumph, the final transfiguration of history and the universe. .In its deepest understanding the Church is nothing other than the world in the course of transfiguration"

Shopping for a Church? Give me that old time religion!


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Pope Benedict XVI's Prayer Intentions for January 2013
General Intention:
The Faith of Christians. That in this Year of Faith Christians may deepen their knowledge of the mystery of Christ and witness joyfully to the gift of faith in him.
Missionary Intention: Middle Eastern Christians. That the Christian communities of the Middle East, often discriminated against, may receive from the Holy Spirit the strength of fidelity and perseverance.

Keywords: Church shopping, seeker movement, emerging church, Catholic Church, evangelical, mega-church, Deacon Keith Fournier, Rome, Roman Catholic

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  1. Theresa
    2 years ago

    Well, what I hadn't finished typing when I hit a key and had no idea where the "message" went was something along the lines of what others have observed.... I would only add that it appears that Pope Benedict has recognized that Catholics are "Church-shopping" within the Catholic Church these days; many have even left the Catholic Church, for one or other mistaken reason. No doubt, "Church-shopping" has gone on all through the centuries, but perhaps we are more aware of it today because of modern technology, as well as the dwindling Mass attendance in almost all of our Catholic churches.... Consequently, Pope Benedict is calling for that which is most needed in the Church today--the "New Evangelization and, along with that, the full restoration, full usage of the 1962 Tridentine Mass. "Peace is the tranquility of order." There is a lot of disorder around these days. The Mass is not an experiment; 40 years have proven that the Mass doesn't lend itself well to much variation in the Ordo from Catholic Church to Catholic Church.... The focus should not be on what "we" or the priest comes up with in the Mass, but the Ordo and what Christ Jesus does. Still today, some have lost sight of the purpose for adherence to the "Ordo," but it is slowly coming back....Catechesis, the "new Evangelization" within the Catholic Church, for all ages--will help our understanding of this, too. Our Holy Father's insight is, of course, right on--Thank God for "Peter" today!

  2. Bill
    2 years ago

    Stephanie, I cant figure out whether your post is done out of blissful ignorance or a cynical attempt to evoke a response from faithful members of the church! In either event, your own words condemn you. You state " The current church-goers are often the new scribes and pharisees, judging others thumping the Bible, caring more about the letter than the spirit of the law". It appears you are the one doing the judging. If you are blissfully ignorant, I pray that you become enlightened. If you are cynical, I pray that you become more trusting of God and the Church he established as the pillar and foundation of the truth.

  3. vance
    2 years ago

    stefanie, I'm not sure what planet you are refering to where the church is full of unchristian christians. I guess you never heard of Catholic Charites and a host of Christian Relief charites who are serving the Homeless and poor everyday. How about all those Pro-Life Groups out there praying and protesting the mass murder of millions of babies? How about all those Catholic and Protestant Pregnancy Counciling Centers? OR How about all those Christian Hospice Services. Now I have been in and around some of these services over the years but I have yet to bump into atheists in these activities with the exception of a Hospice Service. I found out that the atheists who were running the show at one Hospice were there to BLOCK any religious counciling to the End-of-Life patients. Really nice guys aren't they? Let's not forget the Orphanages around the world and the Soup Kitchens. Have you heard of St Vincent De Paul, Goodwill, and Salvation Army. These are Christian organizations serving the POOR and HANDICAPPED for the last 150+ years. Isn't it strange that I haven't seen atheist charities out there. Ask George Soros to spend some of his Billions of Dollars on the poor and needy.

  4. stefanie
    2 years ago

    The current church-goers are often the new scribes and pharisees, judging others thumping the Bible, caring more about the letter than the spirit of the law. The most holy people I know in my life don't go to church - some don't even consider themselves to be believers. But their actions count - heathens can be saints...
    In my language, "church" translates to "community".
    I wonder if people realize the significance of this. People seem to have lost their sense of community, not sharing, not caring, except for a select few they feel safe with.
    Was there not a man canonized for selling church art to feed the poor? And how can the church now have so much art, while there are so many poor? How can the people in churches still spend money on vanities, while there are people without homes? People starving? Christianity is not just for Sundays.

  5. vance
    2 years ago

    I am like many people who know others who Church Shopped. It is true that their are people who want to be entertained or falsely believe that spirituality involves a charismatic preacher and a congregation gyrating around with their hands in the air. The Bishop of Los Angeles said it well, "People don't leave the Catholic Church because of what they know the church is about, they leave because they don't know what the church is about". Thank the majority of the Bishops and clergy because they fail miserably to teach their parishioners about the church. Our world has been full of blasphemies and challenges to our religion and all faithful deserve an answer to these challenges. The Liberal Priests and Bishops offer none. BUT their are protestant preachers who do offer answers whether they are right or wrong BUT they get an answer. We Catholic get great answers from EWTN but never from the pulpit.

  6. Johnny
    2 years ago

    Let's be honest that couple is not alone in saying they want something "alive" and "fulfilling". These people are looking for the Holy Spirit like the days of the early Church.I'm not talking about receiving the Holy Spirit just in the Sacraments, but to fan into flames those gifts previously received at baptism and sealed at confirmation. Unfortunately,for too many Catholics,the gifts and graces received in the sacraments remain dormant and inaccessible.The gifts of the Holy Spirit were not meant to be received and then remain stagnant.They were meant to be continually refreshed and revitalized.Baptism in the Holy Spirit is recommended for every Catholic that's called to participate in this New Evangelization. Here are some Quotes from our two Popes: "Let us rediscover dear brothers and sisters,the beauty of being baptized in the Holy Spirit;let us be aware again of our baptism and our confirmation,sources of grace that are always present"-Pope Benedict XVI. "Come Holy Spirit, and make ever more fruitful the charisms You have bestowed on us"-Pope John Paul II.

  7. Gregory Marino
    2 years ago

    Unfortunately, the most damging long-term legacy of the past and on-going Catholic clergy sexual abuse scandal combined with ecumenicalism is that many, many people and a lot of practicing Catholics as well simply do not believe that the Catholic Church is the only legitimate path to salvation. It is that simple.

  8. Dar
    2 years ago

    Love your articles! Keep them coming.

  9. Theresa
    2 years ago

    Deacon Keith, I don't know what happened to the Comment I was in the middle of writing; if it was "sent." I guess the best things to ignore it! Pam

  10. Albert Mendonca
    2 years ago

    The Church is nothing but Jesus Christ himself and his people. The buildings, treasury, offices etc and all that are secondary.


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