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Rush Limbaugh is Wrong, Karen Finney of MSNBC is Nuts: Pope Francis and Capitalism Comments

Do you get it Karen Finney and E.J. Dionne? It is not "progressive" to try to resolve problems by eliminating a human life! The lie of your brand of political progressivism has been exposed, rejected and dismissed by the Pope whom you think you can use to bolster your political agenda!  Also disturbing were words spoken by Rush Limbaugh. His contention, offered on the EIB Network, that some of ... Continue Reading

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  1. KarlVDH
    1 year ago

    Rush Limbaugh is a supposed "conservative" who used the Canadian SOCIALIZED medical system to acquire illegal prescription drugs when he became a DRUG ADDICT. This supposed bastion of family values and conservative morals has been married and divorced now... what... four? five times?
    The fact that ANY Conservative- especially any Catholic- gives this utter fraud ANY attention or credence is about as ridiculous as watching Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton debate about "family values."
    The man's a complete media fraud. He's an entertainer- barely- and absolutely NOTHING more. We give these people way, way too much power in this country.

  2. Tom
    1 year ago

    I love Pope Francis, he know how to get the faithful, and the not so faithful to think. I recommend to all Rush followers to look at capitalism from a biblical stand point. When money becomes your God then it is a sin, FALSE IDOLS. Any economic system unfettered
    is a great danger. I'll give an example, back in the day ANY "corporation to big to fail was consider to large", and was broken up by the government. No bailouts force from the people. Money to politician's changed all that. Multi- National corp. are beholden to no country and no law, and do as they please, Slave labor, thief of services and materials, no moral restraint.

    I love small business, it must be protected from the political influence, power, and wealth of large business or it is obsorbed, by the larger corporations. The airline and banking industry are a few examples of Monopolies in this country. They gave us a great recession. Rush is wrong the Pope is right. Think not of this limited materialistic world, but of the world of eternity, the world of Jesus.

  3. Trinbagonian
    1 year ago

    Dear all anti-Pope people,
    I have decided to not follow Pope Francis too. I have not read his exhortation but from what some persons say it's not very Christian. Well I have about had enough of it. Now I hear he's opposing capitalism. I have decided to join you anti-pope people ... made up my mind. I think the next step is to get rid of the Pope (I have someone else I think would make a great pope)or I think we should leave The Church (I have been doing some church shopping online).

    May we take The Church back from heretics!
    A person who knows what the Pope should do.

    Dear Disciples of Christ,
    Do not be deceived by the latest evil ploy to shake you from The Rock. They say Pope Francis wants to convert the world to a socialist order. This is not true. Remember when they told you to leave The Church because of some fallen priests and that The Church was irrelevant? They were lying then and are lying now. And who is the source of lies? the fallen angel. Don't listen.

    There's only one Pope. We are to accept his guidance Trust God. Come what may, in the storm, this is God's Church. Believe. All the anti-pope people do is in vain because they cannot win against God. SO be calm. Peace. You are safe. They, the liars, will not prevail against Church. May they convert their hearts. Their situation is so sad. Pray for them too.

    Strengthen yourselves against the evil one and save others. PRAY, Read the Pope's exhortation as children of The Heavenly Father in order that you know the message God has sent for you through His Church and so that you may be obedient to it, accomplish His Will, and save souls; for God wishes to bestow Graces through the message. Read The Bible. Receive the Holy Sacraments of The Catholic Church. In The Church, one's heart can be purified to listen to God's Message and attend to His Work. And do spread the message. Warn others about these anti-pope people. They are anti-Christs. You will see more and more of them for The Kingdom of God is at hand. Keep watch!

    And PLZZZZZZzzzzz, be as servants. Be disciples .... follow. Be as children. If you don't know something, if you wish to know the truth, pray to God Who Does not spurn a contrite spirit and clean heart. Do not mistrust your spiritual leaders especially The Vicar of Christ or assume the worst (this is the way of the evil one), or scandalize. Rather we have been commissioned by the first Apostles of Christ to make the work of our bishops and priests a joy!

    Peace and Joy of Advent!
    God bless.

  4. fallen saint
    1 year ago

    I am sad to see the comments taken in a worldly view.......Pope Francis never declared Capitalism was bad. Our Holy Father stated that "King Money" is wrong. Capitalism is the closest thing to a system that is based on our freedoms. The issue is when our whole being is consumed with making money. For those of us with a vocation to run businesses, he is just saying don't let your love of making money be your guide. Use the Holy Spirit to lead you in your business decisions. Maybe, give a percentage of proceds to help the needy. Or give back a percentage of your earnings and help the families in your company. There is nothing wrong with being a Christian and Capitalist at same time. We just need to lead by example of our Christian faith. Global corporations have lost touch with the humaness of life. These corporations instead follow "king money" and destroy anything and everything to achieve its goal.

    Let us follow are goals as Christians and add a heart to Capitalism.

    May Gods Wiil be Done

  5. Steve
    1 year ago

    The Gospel is full of Jesus's instruction for wealthy individuals to help poor individuals. There is no reference to any human economic/political system of government. Sadly, however, over the years, the Catholic Church (in my view) has played 'footsie' with socilism/marxism/communism. I even sat in disgust listening to a Catholic Deacon giving a sermon on how (in his view) early Christians were 'communist'. Yes, he used that word. I was raised Catholic. My parents sent me to a Catholic elementary and a Catholic high school, but after hearing that Deacon, I almost walked away from the Catholic Church.

    So, now the Pope wants to author statements that touch upon economics. That's great. Fine. How nice. Pope Francis, however, must have known how any word he utters, or word he types, or dictates, will be swept up and run with, twisted and 'spun' by the leftist Press. If not, then he is incredibly naive. It is distressing when Pope Francis refers to 'inequalities' and 'reforms' and he implies that violence will occur, if .........something (what, exactly?) doesn't change. Is it unreasonable to conclude from his words that Pope Francis would welcome high taxes on citizens of wealthy countries to simply transfer that wealth to........well, Third World despots, frankly,.....all in the name of helping the poor? Is it THAT far of a strech to conclude that? I don't think it is. I wish I did, but I've never been able to lie to myself.

    I'm sorry, but Rush Limbaugh is largely right in his assesment of the Pope's words. I sincerely wish that Rush Limbaugh was wrong about that, but he's not.

    Nobody ever asked Jesus Christ, "Who are the poor?" In those days, the answer was obvious. These days; not so much. People living in corupt Third World countries, waving their fists in the air, waving red flags and stomping around threatening violence are not 'the poor'. They are the envious and nothing more.

    For too long, it appears to many on this side of the North Atlantic, that the Vatican seems to have had the idea that the world should emmulate the 'lapdog' brand of Eurosocialism that has ended up as a 'Greek Tragedy' (quite literally). If that assesment is incorrect, then Pope Francis needs to say so in STRONG terms, because many American Catholic Bishops and a fair number of American Cathlic Deacons have not gotten the memo and we are being encouraged to believe that early Christisns were 'communists'.

  6. Albert Peterlin
    1 year ago

    Below is a letter I sent to my bishop.

    Dear Bishop Burbidge:

    It is with great disappointment that I learned of the contents of the Pope’s Evangelii Gaudium. It is my understanding that Pope Francis attacked capitalism and espoused socialism. If this is true, he is not the leader I imagined he would be.

    Anyone with any rudimentary knowledge of the history of socialism understands the abject evil that it represents. Simply note the hundreds of millions of people murdered by the Nazis in Germany, the Soviets in Russia, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Mao Tse Tung in China, Che Guevara and Fidel Castro in Cuba, to name just a few of the more obvious socialist regimes. Then there are the cult leaders like Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple. Assassins like Lee Harvey Oswald. Terrorists like Carlos the Jackal. The categories and accompanying lists go on. In fact, no greater evil has been wrought upon humanity than that by socialism. This is before taking into account the economic devastation (and outright theft) that socialism wreaks on the societies it plagues. Socialism is evil. It enslaves. It kills. It destroys. It takes. It depresses. It impoverishes.

    On the other side of the coin, no greater good has been given to this world than by liberty and capitalism. Liberty and capitalism are inextricably intertwined. You cannot have one without the other. Take a look around you. Everything you touch and use each day exists because of capitalism. From your car, to your computer, your phone, the food you eat, the clothes you wear, the medicine you take, the heat in your home -- all are a result of capitalism. It is true that evil acts have been done in the name of capitalism. Would you eradicate capitalism on that basis alone? If so, you would need to eradicate the Catholic Church too. For great evil was done in the name of the Catholic Church. Individual evildoers aside, capitalism and freedom raise people up. The intellectually honest (and aware) understand that no one and nothing has done more to raise the poor out of poverty than the economic freedom of capitalism. Countries with the greatest freedom and the most vibrant capitalism have the least poverty, oppression and injustice. They have the best standards of living, health care, etc.

    The fact that yet another pope appears to side with evil and against good is troubling to say the least.

    God gave us free will. Ask yourself ‘should the Catholic Church be more or less like God?’ If we are to be more like God, than we are to encourage those policies that maximize individual liberty. I suggest that God did not give us free will only for us to give it away to another man. Why then does the Pope appear to encourage us all to enslave ourselves to global governments? Why does the Pope denounce that [capitalism] which most encourages individual free will. It appears bad politics are guiding the Pope rather than God, the Bible, and history.

    Also seemingly lost on the Pope is the fact that -- of the Ten Commandments -- at least two of them recognize property rights. Thou shall not steal. And thou shall not covet thy neighbor’s goods. Socialism lives off of theft. It lives off stoking the fire of jealousy towards our fellow man – targeting one man who may have more than another. It is simple. Socialism is a sin.

    Socialism is wholly incompatible with Catholicism. The Catholic Church should openly embrace freedom. It should embrace and encourage capitalism. As an institution, it should publically and forcefully denounce and oppose socialism. Right versus wrong. Good versus evil. Why does it appear that another Pope is on the wrong side of this equation?

    I welcome a meaningful reply.

    With kind regards,

    Albert N. Peterlin

  7. mahilena
    1 year ago

    With all the good intentions of the author in keeping the POPE's comments apolitical, in America they become political, and yes, this spiritual awakening from the Holy Spirit is what in America the progressive movement has been trying to do for years..and yes this awakening is anti-conservative, in that it touches on the perversion that has become of the conservative idolatry with materialism and the AynRand "virtue of selfishness" so no matter how you slice it, I love the POPE's message because it is finally showing America and the delusional conservatives what Christianity really is...after all Jesus was the first liberal and socialist...progressivism is empathy, caring, making sure that Social Justice is administered through the structures of a stable government and that it touches and improves the lives of those most vulnerable...something which our Founding Fathers also wanted to do in their concept of enhancing the General Welfare but conservatives try to pretend that this is not so...given their allegiance to the Calvinist BS of predestination where the poor deserve to be poor and the rich deserve salvation

  8. Roy Horchner
    1 year ago

    Money is NOT the problem--it is the LOVE of money that is the problem.

  9. Cynthia Gee
    1 year ago

    Marx preached socialism, and he wasn't the first to do so.
    The trouble with Marxism is that Marx advocated an erroneous form of socialism, and he did so without acknowledging Jesus Christ, who preached it first and preached it RIGHT....
    So, who is more in the wrong - Karl Marx, who agreed at least part with Jesus's teachings, albeit while denying Christ Himself, or Rush Limbaugh, who gives lipservice to God while denying everything His Son taught and stands for?

  10. Anna
    1 year ago

    I came to the US 21 years ago from the USSR, and I'm very familiar with Marxism. I also became a Catholic in the underground Church with priests who spent year in Siberian prisons. So, I'm not "cafeteria Catholic".

    Out of 288 paragraphs 44 are dedicated to economics and politics, to discussion of poor. Almost 1/5 of the letter. Is it that important? Jesus spoke short, in parables, in images, and only about sin and faith. He said as a matter of fact - you will always have poor with you. I value social teaching of the Church, but when it is about our lives, our characters and not economic theories.

    The Pope says: "The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase. In the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us."
    It is not a culture of prosperity that deadens us, it is the original sin. Whatever human beings have or do, they manage to spoil or misuse it. So, it is not THINGS that are important, not what is going into us as Jesus said, but what comes out of us.

    One of the chapters of this letter says "Realities are more important than ideas" and it concerns me. Marx said that "it is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness." I learned it in a soviet school, and now the Pope sounds dangerously close to Marx.

    This also concerns me very much: "59. Today in many places we hear a call for greater security. But until exclusion and inequality in society and between peoples are reversed, it will be impossible to eliminate violence. The poor and the poorer peoples are accused of violence, yet without equal opportunities the different forms of aggression and conflict will find a fertile terrain for growth and eventually explode." "This is not the case simply because inequality provokes a violent reaction from those excluded from the system, but because the socioeconomic system is unjust at its root". Soooo... Inequality is the reason for terrorism, and poor people and nations are excused for committing violence, right?

    He says: "As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality,no solution will be found for the world’s problems or, for that matter, to any problems. Inequality is the root of social ills." In other words, abolish "absolute autonomy of markets " and create what? Socialism?

    I can't believe that the head of the Church can talk about "preferential treatment" of one group of the society. "The great majority of the poor have a special openness to the faith; they need God and we must not fail to offer them his friendship,... and a journey of growth and maturity in the faith. Our preferential option for the poor must mainly translate into a privileged and preferential religious care." If people have special openness to faith, they may survive. What about those who don't have this gift? I always thought that preferential treatment is reserved to the weak - by age, as children or elderly, or sick, or lost, or troubled, but not an economic category of a population.

    And - is it a call for open borders and accepting illegal immigration? "Migrants present a particular challenge for me, since I am the pastor of a Church without frontiers, a Church which considers herself mother to all. For this reason, I exhort all countries to a generous openness which, rather than fearing the loss of local identity, will prove capable of creating new forms of cultural synthesis." He is a pastor for all, but countries have borders.

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