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How the Church Will Change: Evangelical Catholic Pope Francis Gives Another Interview Comments

I question the emerging "blogo-sterium", a self appointed digital council which has decided they can determine whether the Pope is Catholic enough. I choose instead to learn from this Pope with a big heart. He is not afraid to encounter self professed atheists like Eugenio Scalfari. He does so because of the love of God. He writes no-one off. He engages them all with true ... Continue Reading

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  1. fallen saint
    1 year ago

    Lets not confuse discussion from debate, Our Lord And Savior would enter temples to discuss God. It was never a debate because that would imply one side is wrong. Our Holy Father is willing to discuss many things, but that does not mean he can or is willing to change Catholic fundamental beliefs.

  2. Trinbagonian
    1 year ago

    MICHAEL B RIZIK JR. In the words of DLL "Think simple". Do not believe in chaos.
    Stop looking for support of chaos, rebellion; for quotes to support a Pope agenda (you know the one that says he is the anti-Christ wanting to spread abortion???).

    It is true that we have a right to fight evil where we perceive. We should! We must follow good. I hope Catholics do. In following good, we come closer to the absolute good, GOD. And we are enlightened. This pursuit, done in sincerity leads us to TRUTH, GOD. Without this pursuit, we remain stagnant (not doing much with our talents...)

    The difference is the Pope does not have a hidden agenda, and sees the good in each person; but is challenging/encouraging us to pursue good.
    On the other hand, Justice Kennedy has a different view; he is saying that the pursuit of "liberty" leads to self. He leads to a dead end.
    The Pope leads to the beginning, no end. LIFE / LIFE ETERNAL

    The devil would want to confuse...to take God and try to flip. The statements may look similar but they are not. And do look at words in context, please. So, remember context, intention/purpose, audience.
    Pope Francis: belief / hope / love / good / truth / GOD / LIFE / LIFE ETERNAL / simple
    Justice Kennedy: death / sin / murder (false liberty) / lie / complex thinking / hidden agenda between lines as he flips the meaning of words we know to be good.

    God bless.

  3. SaraPalen
    1 year ago

    The Catechism also has some things to say about conscience, and we should be careful not to take those teachings out of context. I would encourage people to read about it,and also about charity and prudence.(I don't know about the rest of yous guys, but after reading the documents of VII and the Catechism, I found the teachings of the Church to be so much more than a set of negatives and too many rules. It is the most beautiful thing. It inspired me to read the Scriptures and the lives of the saints, and to try to live in more charity. though I oftentime lack it still) To much has been given, much is required to have properly formed conscience. A person may think he is following his conscience, but in all objective truth his action based on his conscience can be objectively wrong. There are still intrinsically evil acts. The education of conscience guarantees freedom. We can be guided in this by the Holy Spirit through Scripture and the authoritative teachings of the Church, and prayer. Yes, conscience is the guide, but "this ignorance can be imputed to personal responsibility." (a moral conscience that remains in ignorance).

    seems like if this is all taken into context, there should not be a problem about what the Pope said. We can dialogue if we have some basic understandings that we agree on, but it helps in the dialogue, specifically among Catholics, if we have context and memory of our faith and charity, and patience with ourselves and others. Hope ya all can be patient with me.




  4. Matt
    1 year ago

    I fully expect this interview approach will continue in a papacy characterized by openness, engagement with the culture and a desire to reach out beyond just singing to the choir.

    Deacon, for the sake of the faith, I hope you are wrong.The last thing the church needs is for the lambs to be confused and scattered even more. That is exactly what is happening here. The comments by the Holy Father are so broad and vague as to be opened to a high degree of interpretation. It does not matter if the reality of what he says is in-line with doctrine. The perception by many is that people don't need the Catholic Church to be saved, Atheists can be saved if they follow their conscious, and that abortion and homosexuality are no longer important issues to the church.

  5. rv
    1 year ago

    Also for MICHAEL:

    "All men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and his Church, and to embrace it and hold on to it as they come to know it." -Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2104

    Now that could be interpreted to conflict with your quote from Gregory XVI, too, couldn't it? Even worse, it seems to confirm what Pope Francis said, that is, if you're not incarcerated in confirmation bias.

    Honestly, it doesn't take a lot of ingenuity to be holier than the Church or her Pastor.

  6. rv
    1 year ago

    To Michael I would say that any and every writer/speaker is vulnerable to being criticized for what was /not/ said. This is exactly what you're doing. You parse the Holy Father's words and for those things which he did not explain and dissect to the nth degree or that he did not state explicitly in the interest of clarity or brevity, you invent context, intentions and motives. If you want to know what he meant, ASK HIM, and be specific. Ask him in the context of the concerns you have. You're guilty of "confirmation bias", always seeking to validate your own pre-formulated world view by picking apart the Holy Father's words and not seeing each interview as part of a greater whole, a proclamation of the Gospel.

    This is abusive and misleading. Shame on you, Michael. Really.

  7. rv
    1 year ago

    I love this piece, Deacon Fornier. Thanks for writing it.

    I was following an "orthodox" apostolate until recently when they went totally off the rails on Natural Family Planning. They've also been criticizing the Holy Father for what he says and how he says it. I think they're looking for gravel when they're being giving diamonds! It's time for Catholics to shake off their cowardice and step into the light of a new age being ushered in by the leadership of Pope Francis. He pulls me out of my comfort zone all the time, but I'm learning to appreciate it.

  8. Tom McGuire
    1 year ago

    Trinbagonian thank you for commenting. I hope others will comment.

    Michael as for freedom of conscience. The Vatican II Document on Religious Freedom speaks to freedom of conscience. It is important not to confuse freedom of conscience with relativism.

    Article 3 states: "On his part, man perceives and acknowledges the imperatives of the divine law through the mediation of conscience. In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his conscience."

    Article 11 states: 11. "God calls men to serve Him in spirit and in truth, hence they are bound in conscience but they stand under no compulsion. God has regard for the dignity of the human person whom He Himself created and man is to be guided by his own judgment and he is to enjoy freedom."

  9. mike
    1 year ago

    Good Job Deacon!! Wonderful analysis which I believe comes for your life-long hard work at staying humble, listening, praying, and working to overcome your personal sins, - something that Pope Francis gives strong evidence of also doing...and so you can see him for what he is and appreciate his efforts. I also like the new tag: "Evangelical Catholic Pope"...did you read that somewhere? Or did that pop out of your pen? I think being able to categorize Francis' efforts as "Evangelical Catholic" can do much to reassure some people that he is at least Catholic...those people who often try to be "more Catholic than the Pope". I only want to raise one flag...interviews are not formal Papal teaching statements. Eventually, Francis will do that, either in a Bull - to change the administrative structures of the Church, or a Motu Proprio to do the same, or an encyclical on some moral or doctrinal subject, or, an infallible definition of dogma....which is what I expect someday not too distant: Mary as Mediatrix or possibly Co-Redemptrix. Now wouldn't that be something? How do you suppose that would be received?

  10. J Metrick
    1 year ago

    Just listened to a "phd" explain that Jesus was a socialist and all "rich" people are going to hell. Of course this "phd" is a Professor at Notre Dame. Do I really need to say more?


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