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Neither Friend of Court or Culture: Obama Asks Supreme Court to Undermine Marriage Comments

On February 28, 2013, the Department of Justice of the Obama  Administration filed what is called a Friend of the Court or Amicus Brief in the case styled Hollingsworth v Perry.It should have come as no surprise to those who have been actually watching Barack Obama and his administration - and not simply buying into the sophistry which they offer with such regularity. Continue Reading

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  1. jon
    1 year ago

    So the government isnt supposed to get its nose in religion? Why can religion get its nose in the government? You have no business telling another religion or sect what they can or cannot do.

  2. Gunther
    1 year ago

    The history of the Catholic church is a story of eventually -- usually too late -- realizing that its views are outdated, and hastily shifting to try to catch up with the surrounding culture. The church has apologized for Copernicus and Galileo, for the inquisition and the crusades, and will (hopefully) someday realize that denying equality to all in a country founded on the principals of precisely that is a losing battle. In the meantime, it will continue to lose members as it becomes ever more out of touch with the actual beliefs of real people living in a real world.

    An expansion of marriage is not an undermining of marriage, quite the contrary. Obama merely seeks to make marriage inclusive, a legal and social contract between people who love one another. This strengthens of the idea of marriage rather than weakens it.

  3. Bruce Frier
    1 year ago

    I see no reason to become vitriolic about this article, but it is highly conclusory in its arguments, and hence unconvincing. Indeed, the Catholic Church has not been persuasive, even to its own congregants, in arguing the case against gay marriage; and this article also acknowledges that the Church has been entirely outmatched in the legal arena as well. As a result, the Church has come to seem old-fashioned and inept. If the hierarchy are determined to continue pursuing this line (and the wisdom of such a course does need to be soberly considered), then they need to rethink their position from the ground up, with genuine humility and great realism. In the discussion of one of the great social questions of our time, the Catholic Church starts from far behind, and it will remain behind so long as it fails to recognize the nature and sources of its own weakness.

  4. Patience
    1 year ago

    You are on the wrong side of caring, and the wrong side of history. Put your energy towards the church's pedophilia problem and leave good, decent, committed gay people alone.

  5. Bob
    1 year ago

    I still hold this fact to be increasingly true; the Church speaks empty words when they preach against the very crimes they commit! Is it a greater crime because it is practiced in the light instead of in a dark closet? Crime is crime no matter who the perpetrator may be.

  6. Chuck
    1 year ago

    This is a hard article to read, not because I disagree with its content, but because it's full of faux "shock" and argumentative fallacies.

    For example, "It should have come as no surprise to those who have been actually watching Barack Obama and his administration..." Well, true, but Mr. Fournier makes it sound as if the Obama Administration is saying one thing while doing another, when in fact their support for marriage equality is quite overt.

    "It was a stop along the way to the goal of eliminating the special status given to true marriage and the family and society founded upon it." Ahem, slippery slope? What Mr. Fournier means is likely "They're trying to eliminate the special status given to heterosexuals." That's called institutionalized discriminiation, and it may be fine at the Vatican, but in the United States we have been on a slow march toward true equality for all since our founding.

    And now that you allude to it, Mr. Fournier, it DOES seem as if the Human Rights Campaign has more power and legislative influence in the United States these days than the Catholic Church.

  7. sabrina
    1 year ago

    I cant belive you would even write something like this. What obama is doing is amazing. I am ashamed to even call myself a catholic right now.

  8. Ryan Mayer
    1 year ago

    Cliff notes version of this article. Catholic bigotry is rampant.

  9. Tee
    1 year ago

    Why should one denomination dictate to others exactly what a marriage is? If one belief system supports equality, then shouldn't the government recognize that? This is about equal treatment of religious faiths as much as it is about equal treatment of sexual orientations.

    DOMA says the U.S. government will officially privilege the views of faiths that reject same-sex marriage over faiths that favor equality. Outside the context of same-sex marriage, do you not see how such favoritism is extremely damaging the security of ALL faiths to be secure in their practices?

    I'm not saying I disagree with your spiritual views on same-sex marriage, but I worry when the government is in the business of favoring one faith over another...

  10. RAMJ
    1 year ago

    The Catholic Church is an archaic obstruction to the progress of true civilization. The Church's stand on birth control kills and harms more people than all the guns in the world. Insistent ignorance and misogyny is not a solution to the complex problems faced by a modern world. Life is short and then you die. The sooner the Church ceases to deliberately hurt people, the sooner we can get on with uplifting the whole human race. I reject my Catholic heritage and regret my Baptism into the Church. There is no heaven and there is no hell, except what we make here on earth. Amen.

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