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Guest Opinion: Sandy Hook and Gun Control. Can Lawmakers Stop the Killings? Comments

If we truly want to prevent further school shootings in this nation, we need to stop fooling ourselves with utopian "feel good" solutions like passing some more anti-gun legislation. We need to look inward and see that, as Pogo famously said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us." Continue Reading

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  1. KarlVDH
    2 years ago

    And by the way, son... here's a little more reality for you. I don't care what video games you've aced, how good you are at paintball, or what movies you've seen. The TRUTH is, until the shooting actually starts, you have NO IDEA- NONE- how you're actually going to react. Not a CLUE. I've seen much more arrogant and confrontational people than you cave, and far more docile and even meek people become heroes than you can imagine. Better get that part straight before you presume to lecture a veteran, kid: you don't know. Anything. You have no idea what it's like, and you have no idea- though you THINK you do- how you'll behave. Learn to communicate with some respect... if not for your elders, than for your betters.

  2. KarlVDH
    2 years ago

    Jason? My man... reality check time, kid. I'm a doisabled veteran, wounded in combat. Tell me more about how you're gonna serve the country, and know all about gun violence. I'm ready to be judged now.

  3. Jason M
    2 years ago

    Really? The gun is and was used to kill, so as long as i have a gun? I will have the right to protect myself. The Church TODAY- Not in the bible- Allows us to be in the armed forces which means that they are excusing people from killing. That allows for gun use. That allows for me, Since i'm willing, to join the military, which i will do. I will be one of the thousands that keep your sorry little beanbags safe at home typing hate comments while playing XBox in your mother's basemnet with no job living off of obama.

  4. KarlVDH
    2 years ago

    The Bible is quite clear as to what God expects us to use as "the weapons of our warfare." He discusses "The breastplate of righteousness... the helmet of salvation... the sword of the Spirit, etc.
    In fact, the only "weapons" the scriptures authorize the believer to carry- despite the efforts of some to equate the average citizen with the soldier or policeman, or to justify their own deadly weapon by misuse of Jesus comment about a sword... no... the ONLY weapons we're authorized by scrioture are spiritual ones. Nowhere does it mention the assault rifle of personal vengeance, or the nine millimeter handgun of saving your own butt, or the shotgun of defending personal beliongings that Jesus told us wwe should always be ready to part with anyway.
    No. There is no justification for the idea of a gun for "defense." Not in the Bible, not in our faith, not among a people who claim so stridently to be "pro life" with regard to the behavior of others. Simply, NO.

  5. Jason M
    2 years ago

    Honestly, we're all at least one form of a christian sect or another. So seriously, Jerry, Sara,
    LAY OFF and quit spammin the comments about taxes. Because I just looked at it and said, what a waste of time. And Jerry? The first use of the gun? IT WAS TO KILL. Not to shoot in the air like a terrorist. TO KILL! that means YOU are wrong.

  6. Rob
    2 years ago

    This issue, like so many others, devloves into a political side will pass and we can continue to consume weapons of warfare to our heart's content.

  7. SaraPalen
    2 years ago

    yes, the Church teaches against violence, war (although they teach about just war), death penalty, with rare exceptions, and prays for peace.REAL PEACE. all good.

    But force to stop an aggressor is also teaching, explained in the Summa Theologica and the catechism. Not all people who are stopped with a gun are killed, as we still do not have freedom to just plug people with holes just to plug people with holes. Some are stopped from the agression just by knowing it is there.

    If the Church teaches as Karl is implying, then the Pope would have no security carrying semiauto weapons, or swords for that matter. Those guys are Catholic guarding him, right? and they do have guns.We assume they are not prolife? Let's be real. Then, the Pope would not be pro life? Hey America, the Pope is only pro birth!
    (how many guns does the President have in his house, by the way. He's not pro life, then just on this fact, right?and when he said he was glad he had guys with guns around his daughters-oh the humanity!).

    Right, we cannot pick and choose who lives and who dies (unless you are a mother who does not want her unborn child) (or a citizen that the administration would deem a threat, without due process if need be-Habeus, who needs him). (how's that gonna work for future health care, by the way-I'm not too sure about that)
    But the result of death, in the case of legitimate self defense is an unintended effect, as taught by the Church. Would we not either be able to defend someone with our arms, our fists, I've seen death result in that too.

    But no, peace-loving, pro life gun owners in America are now being treated as the agressors-anti life. (You know Holder says we must brain wash people into thinking things like this)You hear the calls to shoot and kill these people. There is no excuse for this. This should be condemned by legislators on both sides. But I think the government rather likes this fevered pitch, so it can have more excuse to take extreme measures, just like when they thought blacks shouldn't have guns in this country. They couldn't be trusted to protect themselves or their families wth guns either.

    many police officers and others I know have guns in their homes-some even carry at Mass on Sundays, (by the imprinting I see). Some even encourage their spouse to protect themselves when they are on duty. A judge I know, recently held someone at bay with his Glock 45 after a break in in his home. I wouldn't conclude he was not prolife-no one died there. Gosh, never heard that from my pastor or bishop that they are all against life.

    Murder, as Karls says abortion is, on the other hand would indicate an premeditated intent to kill a human being. This is never condoned by the Church. There is no teaching on prudential judgements here. It is mal en se, (unlike an innanimate object in the home) and no government should promote this, by common reasoning of natural law. and no Catholic polititians should promote it either.No Catholic citizens, if they know thier faith and live it should promote it either. Taxes providing for these inhumane acts are gravely immoral. Forcing the Church to directly provide for anti-life procecures is also gravely immoral. We, as Catholic, need to keep ALL of these things in mind when government is making decisions on account of us, especially when claiming crisis situations and by- passing normal debate. and we must be aware of those who try and twist our faith, and the intent of the 2nd amendment.

  8. KarlVDH
    2 years ago

    Look... either you've got a gun for protection or dou don't, and if you do, the simple truth is that its purpose is to kill a human being... you cannot say "Kill him" and "Pro life" and be reasonable, Sara. It's just not truth.. You're either pro LIFE or you're not. This is why the Church DOES teach against violence, does condemn war, does condemn capital punishment, and why we pray for peace. you don't get to choose who is worthy of life and who isn't; you're either pro LIFE or you're not.

  9. SaraPalen
    2 years ago

    Thank God all our mothers were pro birth at least once! Amen, let us celebrate pro birth-after all, it is the Christmas season-the time of our dear Savior's birth

    By your logic, Karl, even the Pope would not be pro life.

    this is not Christian teaching of my faith, nor anything close to 2nd amendment rights of our Constitution, based on thousands of years of common law practice.

    I live and work in a world surrounded by death,drugs, violence, and poverty-the wounded, young and old, in body and spirit, bed bugs, bullet holes and all, surround me. Few see what is really happening in the bowels of society, including babies, living and dead in toilets, the lost and forgotten children in America, many of which no statistics are collected for. It is all too real for me, but of course they are just blobs, so I should feel nothing in my conscience for them, or their mothers who suffer their loss.

    What I see contributing most to this violence and disorder is a tremendous spiritual poverty.
    The children live without structure or positive family life. Someone coud be dying infront of them, but as long as they can still watch Oprah on their tv, they really don't give a crap (no lie). It is sad to see this loss for all of humanity.

    The answer will not be found where this government looks for answers.
    This is a government of the culture of death; its agents have given weapons to criminals. (including the weapon of money to the likes of those who kill the young in the womb)

    I have killed no one with a gun, nor do I intend to.
    (On the other hand, I do have a freezer full of venison).

  10. Jerry N
    2 years ago

    KarlVDH: "The sole purpose of the thing, then, is to kill another human being."

    Karl just added another rather obvious lie to the plethora of unrepentant lies he has already posted in this discussion thread.

    Anyone with even a modest intellect can name a dozen or more productive and safe uses for privately owned firearms, including the main one which is to protect life. It is exceedingly pro-life and pro-liberty to also be pro-2nd Amendment rights.

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