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We have seen in our prior series entitled "The Heart's Witness Against Muhammad" how, in his moral fruits, Muhammad can be identified as a false prophet.  We will see in this series entitled "The Antichrist in Muhammad" how, in his doctrinal fruits, Muhammad can also be identified as a false prophet twice over.  This series is nothing less than an effort to be responsive to the Lord's warnings regarding false prophets.. Continue Reading

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  1. Jorge
    1 year ago

    Let's do s short objective analysis of your latest reply:

    "Jorge, that's your best? I even SAID I wasn't posting every verse for the sakke of brevity, and gave you a pretty good list for starters. "

    No you didn't. You LIED about the content and meaning of the versicles, deliberately trying to present them as "evidence2 of the fictional divine commands to lie, deceive, kill..YOU LIED!

    "I'm not "twisting" anything, Of COURSSE I don't believe that's what it MEANS. I'm a Catholic, for heaven's sake! I even SAID it doesn't matter how you or I INTERPRET those verses,the point is, they''re THERE."

    This is the most ridiculous thing you posted so far.if you don't believe those versicles mean God is commanding christians and jews to maim, murder, deceive pagans, then nyou are invalidating your own argument altogether.You are a very confused person.



    "Now, imagine coming from a culture outside ours, and reading those... you might just draw from a copy of the bible- or from a website presenting verses of the limke to make a point- the same sort of conclusion you're presenting about Islam.you might start thinking people like Westboro Baptist or the Klan represented "real" Christianity, while those speaking of peace and love were really outside the "real" expression of the religion.
    Get it now?"

    No I don't get it because again you are LYING, by trying to present as similar or euqual two completely opposite ideologies-biblical and quranic. Obvioulsy the Klan and other so called "christians" twist and misiterpret basic christian ideology, introducing stuff that simply is not there.They do exactly what you are doing since we started ourt discussion.Get it now?

    "Of course, I don't think God is commanding us today to do these things any more than you do. But the verses we're talking about DO exist, and you know it. And there IS, in Christianith, a historry of people, governments and nations having used the Bible to justify all sorts pf things, from slavery to conquest to murder, torture and genocide.
    Note again... I'm not suggesting that that's an accurate view of Christianity. I'm saying people have done it. They have. "

    in that case you are invalidating what you previously posted. Many christians have indeed cummited horrible crimes, but they did this AGAINST their most basic tenets of their faith.On the contrary muslims who cummit horrible crimes, do this by emulating muhammad and in strict accordance with the quran, the hadiths and the suras. All schools of islamic thouhgt confirm this.Get it?

    "And you've demonstrated my point CLEARLY... you're attributing to Islam nothing bit the strictest possible literal interpretation of their Koran, as if the Jihadists had the only "real" version of Islam, to make it into something sinister, presumably to justify your own clear anger and hate. "

    My version os islam is the ONLY vaqlid version of islam; why do you think "moderate" muslims never move a finger to oppose jihadists? because they know the jihadists are right and are indeed practicing pure islam!

    "But the truth is that most Muslims are, in fact, every bit as rational or reasonable as you are or I am, and read their scriptures with the same filters of context and intellect theat you or I view thee Bible with. And no matter how many bloody passages you post, you're NOT presenting a real, honest or informed vview of Islam any more than the verses I've posted for you present a real image of Christian belief.
    Get it now, or are you going to try to make this about something else again?"

    Your claim is in validated by al-azhar the leading islamic sunni religious and political school of thought and even by shia islam who in the most fundamental tenets call for the genocide of non-muslims-specially israely jews-, the abuse of wimen, stonings, amputations and the destruction of science , rational thought.ironically the islamic world is plagued by violence, irrationality, gross violations of human rights that are growing in number and gravity, and not the opposite. That alone speaks volumes about what real islam is all about.

    Where are the 1127 biblical warmongering, violent versicles? I can't wait to see them!

  2. KarlVDH
    1 year ago

    By the way, Jorge... when you say things like "God didn't even say that, Micah did..."
    I'm sorry... did Micah lie? How are you deciding what parts of scripture count and which don't? Don't you believe the Holy Bible, regardless of individual authors, is in fact the Word of God? If Micah were "wrong," God would have corrected him.
    Of coursse, you insist on a strictly literal interpretation of the Koran, but can read the Bible through the filter of intellect, context and religious education... something you aparently believe Muslims aren't capable of.
    And I'm going to say this once more for your benefit. I am a Roman Catholic. I am NOT a Muslim, or anything else. I'm not even defending Islam. I'm countering something I think is wrong in the name of what I believe to be truth, nothing more. Call me a Muslim or talk about Mohammed as my "hero" again, and you are a liar. In fact, you cannot find a single word I've posted in defense of that man, or his religion.
    Though I doubt you're really paying attention.

  3. KarlVDH
    1 year ago

    Jorge, that's your best? I even SAID I wasn't posting every verse for the sakke of brevity, and gave you a pretty good list for starters.
    I'm not "twisting" anything, Of COURSSE I don't believe that's what it MEANS. I'm a Catholic, for heaven's sake! I even SAID it doesn't matter how you or I INTERPRET those verses,the point is, they''re THERE. Now, imagine coming from a culture outside ours, and reading those... you might just draw from a copy of the bible- or from a website presenting verses of the limke to make a point- the same sort of conclusion you're presenting about Islam.you might start thinking people like Westboro Baptist or the Klan represented "real" Christianity, while those speaking of peace and love were really outside the "real" expression of the religion.
    Get it now?
    Of course, I don't think God is commanding us today to do these things any more than you do. But the verses we're talking about DO exist, and you know it. And there IS, in Christianith, a historry of people, governments and nations having used the Bible to justify all sorts pf things, from slavery to conquest to murder, torture and genocide.
    Note again... I'm not suggesting that that's an accurate view of Christianity. I'm saying people have done it. They have.
    And you've demonstrated my point CLEARLY... you're attributing to Islam nothing bit the strictest possible literal interpretation of their Koran, as if the Jihadists had the only "real" version of Islam, to make it into something sinister, presumably to justify your own clear anger and hate.
    But the truth is that most Muslims are, in fact, every bit as rational or reasonable as you are or I am, and read their scriptures with the same filters of context and intellect theat you or I view thee Bible with. And no matter how many bloody passages you post, you're NOT presenting a real, honest or informed vview of Islam any more than the verses I've posted for you present a real image of Christian belief.
    Get it now, or are you going to try to make this about something else again?

  4. Jorge
    1 year ago

    KarlVHD..let's demolish all your ridiculous falsehoods:
    "Jorge... to demonstrate I don't just make things up...
    And that if you're a man, you'll apologize for the accusation..."

    No, I wont! You're a liar as I again will show you!

    "SOME VERSES IN WHICH GOD CONDONES, PERMITS OR ENGAGES IN DECEPTION:

    1 Kings 22:23
    Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. "

    This versicle is denouncing FALSE prophets, like your hero muhammad. You're not just a liar, but an illiterate person.it's not even GOD who said this, but Micaiah.You don't know anything about God, truth or honesty.



    "2 Chronicles 18:22
    Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. "

    This is not GOD speaking, or giving commands..this is the fruit of HUMAN understanding of God's alleged commands and actions.You're a liar!

    "Jeremiah 4:10
    Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

    Jeremiah 20:7
    O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. "

    This is not GOD speaking, or giving commands..this is the fruit of HUMAN understanding of God's alleged commands and actions.You're a liar!


    "****NOW, JORGE... before you bother with an argument about "context," pay close attention to the following two verses...

    Ezekiel 14:9
    And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. "

    You're a LIAR again. you censored this versicle trying to present it as if God had deceived the prophets but the opposite is the exact meaning of this versicle, you liar! this versicle condemns false prophets who lied about God!

    "2 Thessalonians 2:11
    For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

    This is Saint Paul's own interpretation of the way the followers of satan are deceived by their own lies,for which God allows them to believe,since God wants to separate the righteous from the unjust(satan followers), giving all human beings equal free-will. You just misenterpreted tese versicles deliberately. You knew what they ment. Ironically this last versicle proves you are not just a liar, but a shameless anti-christian.


    "Jorge... We may not agree on interpretation. but you can not now reasonably call me a liar, however, without now being one yourself. That's a strong word, which you've applied far too liberally. Would you like to try again in a more civil tone? "

    Sure karl...no problem; if if stop blaspheming the Lord, twisting and missnsterpreting the holy bible, that will surely help.

    "Want some more truth? Here are some verses, for starters, in which God commands his followers to kill. I offer them for the sake of brevity; if you need me too, I can ennumerate them all. There are, in fact, 1127 references to cruelty and violence in the Bible. This is a list of simple commands, from God, to his followers, TO KILL. I can provide a LOT more. I don't, you see, make this stuff up. I KNOW my Bible. "

    You just proved you don't know MY bible.

    "Blasphemers/followers of other religions (Lev. 24:10-16) also (Exodus 22:19), (2 Chronicles 15:12-13), (Deuteronomy 13:7-12), (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)
    (Hey... JUST LIKE what the Koran says, huh?? Far out

    any one going too close to the tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51)
    not observing Sabbath (it actually says Saturday !?!) (Exo. 31:14, Exo. 35:2)
    children that disobeying parents (Deut. 21:20)
    cursing your parents (Exo. 21:17)
    homosexuals (Lev. 20:13)
    sex during menstruation (Lev. 20:18)
    loss of virginity (if unmarried?) (only for a woman) (Deut. 22:21)
    adultery (Lev. 20:10)
    all who sin (The soul who sins shall die.) (ezik 18:4)
    witches (Exodus 22:17)
    fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27)
    hitting a parent(s) (Exodus 21:15)
    false prophets (Zechariah 13:3)
    the whole town if one person worships another god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19) (Deuteronomy 13:1-5) (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
    infidels (and gays) (Romans 1:24-32)
    working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15)
    sons of sinners (Isaiah 14:21)"

    You are funny..that is far from being 1127 references; you just LIED again. In any case, all these versicles do NOT command either jews or christians to KILL any one.These versicles are short in number, and are merely REPORTING the many trials, wars and conflits the old jewish people had to endure to regain their freedom nand their land from syustematic agressions, barbaric violence from their enemies.they reflect the authors OWN interpretation of these wars and conflicts.that's not what we see in the unholy quran is it?

    "Jorge, my friend, be HONEST... Not really THAT far off what you're protesting about, is it? Some of this is hair raising! And I've left out the orders regarding conquest and national vengeance. Yeesh, Jorge... this list alone should give you enough of a start to admit that no, I most certainly did NOT lie when I said I could find the same sort of thing in the Bible as you're posting in rage about regarding Islam... and really man, you HAVE to afmit that I was being honest about what I said regarding commands to commit violence and kill. COMMANDS of God. Dispute it now and your issue isn't with me, it's with Him. And remember... this is just a STARTER list! There're many more!! MANY! "

    Sure show them all to me, the 1127..I can't wait to read them all! that should be funny.You LIED!


    "Now, please at least admit that when I say something like the Old Testament permits the rape of captives, or the slaughter of children, or wholesale destruction for the sake of religion, while we may disagree on how to interpret those pasages TODAY, they most certainly ARE there.
    And knowing that we can do so, you must then admit that the vast majority of peaceful, reasonable Muslims... people you have claimed to at least have met and who YOU said are good people... must, obviously, not subscribe to a fundamentalist, literalist interpretation of those passages you quote any more than you or I subscribe to the same about those I've provided here.
    Assuming, of course, this is about something more than just prommulgating hate and dressing it up as faith... which I think- and hope- it is. Please show me you're that kind of person. "

    I am not endorsing hate in any form; I am merely denoucing it as is Andrew in these brilliant articles.I have not doubt whatseover that during WWII, there were many german nazis who were nice, peaceful people, just like most muslims today are also nice, peaceful people.However both nazism and islam are incarnations of pure evil: the more you believe and practive their most fundamental core values who commad the genocide, brutalization and destruction of all non-nazis and non-muslims,the more you become a true nazi or muslim.I don't see how you can say radical jews and christiand have anything to do with the taliban, mujahedeen, jihadis that are murdering and causing havoc worlwide as we speak(Nigeria, Syra,iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya,Egypt,Thailland, Myanmar, Australia, Belgium, France, England...), with the cumplicit silence of the mainstrem petro-dollar controlled media.



  5. KarlVDH
    1 year ago

    Jorge... to demonstrate I don't just make things up...
    And that if you're a man, you'll apologize for the accusation...

    SOME VERSES IN WHICH GOD CONDONES, PERMITS OR ENGAGES IN DECEPTION:

    1 Kings 22:23
    Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

    2 Chronicles 18:22
    Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.

    Jeremiah 4:10
    Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

    Jeremiah 20:7
    O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.

    ****NOW, JORGE... before you bother with an argument about "context," pay close attention to the following two verses...

    Ezekiel 14:9
    And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

    2 Thessalonians 2:11
    For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.


    Jorge... We may not agree on interpretation. but you can not now reasonably call me a liar, however, without now being one yourself. That's a strong word, which you've applied far too liberally. Would you like to try again in a more civil tone?

    Want some more truth? Here are some verses, for starters, in which God commands his followers to kill. I offer them for the sake of brevity; if you need me too, I can ennumerate them all. There are, in fact, 1127 references to cruelty and violence in the Bible. This is a list of simple commands, from God, to his followers, TO KILL. I can provide a LOT more. I don't, you see, make this stuff up. I KNOW my Bible.

    Blasphemers/followers of other religions (Lev. 24:10-16) also (Exodus 22:19), (2 Chronicles 15:12-13), (Deuteronomy 13:7-12), (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)
    (Hey... JUST LIKE what the Koran says, huh?? Far out

    any one going too close to the tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51)
    not observing Sabbath (it actually says Saturday !?!) (Exo. 31:14, Exo. 35:2)
    children that disobeying parents (Deut. 21:20)
    cursing your parents (Exo. 21:17)
    homosexuals (Lev. 20:13)
    sex during menstruation (Lev. 20:18)
    loss of virginity (if unmarried?) (only for a woman) (Deut. 22:21)
    adultery (Lev. 20:10)
    all who sin (The soul who sins shall die.) (ezik 18:4)
    witches (Exodus 22:17)
    fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27)
    hitting a parent(s) (Exodus 21:15)
    false prophets (Zechariah 13:3)
    the whole town if one person worships another god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19) (Deuteronomy 13:1-5) (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
    infidels (and gays) (Romans 1:24-32)
    working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15)
    sons of sinners (Isaiah 14:21)

    Jorge, my friend, be HONEST... Not really THAT far off what you're protesting about, is it? Some of this is hair raising! And I've left out the orders regarding conquest and national vengeance. Yeesh, Jorge... this list alone should give you enough of a start to admit that no, I most certainly did NOT lie when I said I could find the same sort of thing in the Bible as you're posting in rage about regarding Islam... and really man, you HAVE to afmit that I was being honest about what I said regarding commands to commit violence and kill. COMMANDS of God. Dispute it now and your issue isn't with me, it's with Him. And remember... this is just a STARTER list! There're many more!! MANY!

    Now, please at least admit that when I say something like the Old Testament permits the rape of captives, or the slaughter of children, or wholesale destruction for the sake of religion, while we may disagree on how to interpret those pasages TODAY, they most certainly ARE there.
    And knowing that we can do so, you must then admit that the vast majority of peaceful, reasonable Muslims... people you have claimed to at least have met and who YOU said are good people... must, obviously, not subscribe to a fundamentalist, literalist interpretation of those passages you quote any more than you or I subscribe to the same about those I've provided here.
    Assuming, of course, this is about something more than just prommulgating hate and dressing it up as faith... which I think- and hope- it is. Please show me you're that kind of person.




  6. KarlVDH
    1 year ago

    Jorge... re-read your Old Testament, particularly the conquest of the Holy Land. Read the erses in which God COMMANDS that they not leave a living thing in a city. Read for yourself where he COMMANDS to kill even the livestock. Read for yourself where God says it's permissible for captive women to be forced into marriage. Read for yourelf where he says to decieve the enemy. Are you even remotely familiar with the Old Testament?
    And don't play semantic games, Mr. Honesty. You know, if you are even a VAGUE student of history, of the use of scripture BY THE CHURCH to justify violence, political intrigue, torture... give me a break. You know well enough- unless I have overestimated your intelligence- that whether YOU have done these things is not germane to this discussion, because in point of fact, neither have the majority of Muslims. But DON'T pretend you don't understand my point: the Church HAS had a bloody history, one we're STILL trying to rise above.
    As to Mary... you just proved you have no idea what you're actually talking about. The Koran contains a Sura TITLED, "Mary," with which you're obviously quite unfamiliar. Though, it doesn't appear you've ever actually read the Koran yourself, save the verses you get off whatever website you post this stuff from.
    Finaly, my last statement was in regard to what WE... as Christians... might have in common with THEM... the Muslims. And uness, again, I have greatly overestimated you, you know it. So, are you being dishonest because you want to justify your hate, or are you not as smart as I think you are?

  7. Jorge
    1 year ago

    KarlVDH..point by point:
    "Jorge... I'm not the one of us who's being dishonest. You know it. "

    All I know is that you are a liar, that's for sure. as I will prove right away:

    "*The list of violent passages in the Bible is NOT "short in number." It's staggering. " PROVE IT..give me numbers!!
    "*The passages I'm referring to are COMMANDS of God... not "options," like you're hoping people will think. " PROVE IT..I want to see evidence, not LIES!
    "* you're proving MY point... just as WE interpret those passages through time, context and history, SO DO THEY. EXCEPT, of course for extremists. Which WE have among us, too. "
    All schools of islamic jurisprudence and thought confirm EXACTLY WHAT I SAID:that the violent, intolernat, gernocidal passages of the quran ab-rogate the very few quranis versicles from the fist stage of islam.however those first invalid passages are often used by both radical and "moderate2 muslims to fool non-muslims, for many, many reasons, none of them good.


    "before you try it... we HAVE, in our past, used those scriptures to justify wholesale slaughter. PLEASE tell me you're honest enough to admit that."

    I have never used those old violent passages for anythin so I do not identify with the KKK false christianity that distorts and twists the biblical teachings, which are clear, peaceful, loving and tolerant.Any time "christians" use any pssage from the bioble to cummit violence against any one, this is done in direct violation of what the biblical teachings are all about.
    "*There are verses in the Holy Bible in which God SPECIFICALLY permits both deception and lying. "PROVE IT..Give me those non-existent biblical versicles!!!Where are they??
    "*The Koran contains more passages about Mary than the Bible does. In fact, there are things we believe about Mary which, though NEVER mentioned in the Bible, DO appear in the Koran.".LIKE WHAT? GIVE ME ONE THING that the quran says about Mary that is not in the bible!! Just ONE!!

    "Here's a question... instead of using dishonesty and distortion to preach against Islam, why aren't we showing something better, or doing what Jesus said, and doing the harder work of making disciples? Took Christ three years to get the disciples to "get it," and even after his resurrection, they STILL didn't... what is it you think preaching against Islam to a Catholic adience is going to actually achieve? And why can't you do it honestly? "

    This is a a great question that you should answer yourself!!You are th king of dishonesty as you just proved once again...Not even ONE shred of evidence or factual truth..just lies...
    "Doesn't it make a heck of a lot more sense to start from points we have in COMMON,and then develop a discussion from there? "Wait, first you pretend and fake being christian..now in this sentence, you admit your're a muslim! Again you prove you are the king of dishonesty.your taqyya just makes you do these immoral things and come up with ridiculous lies. we all know islam envourages violence, deception, all forms of evil..but this is ridiculous don't you agree??

  8. karlvdh
    1 year ago

    And by the way, Jorge... you accuse me of dishonesty? I asked if you KNEW any Muslims, or had spent any real time in Muslim countries. You answer that you've "met" some, and have "been in" Muslim countries.
    "No," would have been more honest, don't you think?
    And let's finally be really honest: other that what you've picked up from anti Islamic websites... you don't know what you're talking about... not really. Do you?

  9. KarlVDH
    1 year ago

    Jorge... I'm not the one of us who's being dishonest. You know it.
    *The list of violent passages in the Bible is NOT "short in number." It's staggering.
    *The passages I'm referring to are COMMANDS of God... not "options," like you're hoping people will think.
    * you're proving MY point... just as WE interpret those passages through time, context and history, SO DO THEY. EXCEPT, of course for extremists. Which WE have among us, too. And before you try it... we HAVE, in our past, used those scriptures to justify wholesale slaughter. PLEASE tell me you're honest enough to admit that.
    *There are verses in the Holy Bible in which God SPECIFICALLY permits both deception and lying.
    *The Koran contains more passages about Mary than the Bible does. In fact, there are things we believe about Mary which, though NEVER mentioned in the Bible, DO appear in the Koran.

    Here's a question... instead of using dishonesty and distortion to preach against Islam, why aren't we showing something better, or doing what Jesus said, and doing the harder work of making disciples? Took Christ three years to get the disciples to "get it," and even after his resurrection, they STILL didn't... what is it you think preaching against Islam to a Catholic adience is going to actually achieve? And why can't you do it honestly?
    Doesn't it make a heck of a lot more sense to start from points we have in COMMON,and then develop a discussion from there?

  10. Jorge
    1 year ago

    KarlVDH..you LIED when you said the bible has many violent versicles that match the ones of the quran.They can never match or even be equated at any level for several reasons:
    1-They are very short in number;
    2-they are NOT mandatory, either for jews or for christians
    3-they are limited to a very short period of time in the old jewish history
    4-more than 70 % of the quran is all about war and hatred of indidels, condemnations, slanders, amputations, ridiculous false versicles that instill fear, hatred, ignorance on muslims, against non-muslims
    5-the final most decisive versicles of the quran are clearly teaching the doctrine of eternal jihad against all infidels(that's us), until we all convert to islam of pay jizzia as inferiors/dhimmies in "willing submission". if we refuse we will be killed
    by muslim thugs(jihadists)
    6-contrary to jewish-christian theology, islam allows and even encourages muslims to LIE to non-muslims, by faking to be our friends in order to subdue us, when proper time comes
    So Karl, you just got yourself and answer to your question, a factual one.


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