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The Parable of the Kosher Deli: Bishop Lori Before Congress Defending Religious Liberty Comments

We can learn from this brilliant testimony as we undertake the struggle to defend the Church against this unjust Edict. We call upon all of our readers around the globe to pray for his Excellency - and for all of our Bishops. We pledge to stand in unwavering solidarity with them. Continue Reading

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  1. DLL
    3 years ago

    The fact is that all will pay out of their own resources for this so called "Woman's Healthcare" as premiums for all health insurance will skyrocket as well as their deductibles and all of the insured's copays. The losses will be non existent for the government or employers and much for all consumers,as all costs will be passed on to them. Religious freedom will become severely compromised as the secular forces to be will win on their ideological platforms once more. Secular Humanism is the religion of relative thinking. Secular Humanists are forcing their religion down the throats of everyone else. This must be stopped as these people are highly organized as a so called progressive force. They are Not Kosher. Contraceptives are not a set of human or some sort of a Right for men or woman. Contraceptives are only a weapon in the war of religions and ideologies these days and nothing more. Religious freedom is very important as a human issue for all people. In societies where this freedom has been comprimised there has always been some form of severe oppression for all of a society to replace this freedom. The reports that claim some statistic that some 98% of all Catholic women have used contraceptives and agree in that usage is irrelevant if the Catholic Church teaches this as a sin. The Church teaching is a moral one and it is simply correct. If men self abuse themselves that is a mortal sin,like it or not that is the Churches teaching and it is a moral one and it is correct. Obedience to Church teaching is relevant. God is! and the Church represents the Divine truth! and I for one would rather abide or try to abide by a Divine Church teaching than to leave moral matters to a matter of what I believe my own opinion to be.

  2. j
    3 years ago

    Best way to fight HHS edict is through "prayer, fasting," as most of the bishops wrote in a letter close to a month ago...and through political activism. Engage our brothers and sisters in our parishes, our homes, and in all other associations, including political, so that we can, with God's grace, vote out this statist administration on 'steroids.' Many of us saw this coming when we vetted Obama ourselves without the help of the MSM. Now this. It seems to me that this is the latest in a never ending grab for power by the current administration. What is the worst that could happen? The statist could win the battle but will fail to prevail in the end. "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it," is our Lord's own promise.

  3. Sandra Dee
    3 years ago

    Diana, I agree with part of your statement. Women DO need to be in control of their bodies. We call that self-control, and Jesus would not disagree with that. But I don't think that's what you meant. The Church may lose followers in the US for unpopular teachings....okay, and so did the Lord. There were people who didn't want to do the right things. They fell away. I'm sure they regretted that on their judgment day. But it's a choice. Look, God is pro-choice. He just believes that the CHOICE happens BEFORE conception, when deciding whether to engage in sexual activity or to refrain. If you teach your children its realitic to have sexual relations before marriage, and give them contraceptives, you become responsible and spiritually culpable for purposely leading them astray. Children do make their own choices. Adults make their own choices. And each are responsible for their choices. But if you consent to sin, and teach sin, you are responsilbe for the sin that results. Do you really want to stand guilty of that sin before the Lord? It's a big one. To say that chastity is unrealistic is reprehensible. As a parent, I have an obligation to teach chastity. To model chastity. And to assent to the teachings of the Catholic Church on contraceptives, abortion, and every other issue. If you don't understand it, fine, ask for God's grace to explain it to you so that you can understand it, rather than being the tares sown with the wheat. If the Church loses members in the US because the Church does not change her teachings - as God does not change, virtue does not change, right does not change, then kudos to the Church. The Church has absolutely NO obligation to -get with the times- and teach sin. So if people fall away - first of all that would be their loss, and secondly, that would be the remnant of true believers the Lord promised He would retain for Himself. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

  4. SaraPalen
    3 years ago

    that's the mistake-it is the opposite of control over the body. Sexuality is a sacred thing. Many Catholics that know not their fait need to get with it and learn of the radical, sacredness of which JPII explained so beautifully. He knew the hearts and desires of women very well. and when you are not under the inluence of that contraception crap, you fully feel the power of female sexuality. The control is all in the mind. It is not unrealistic to rely on the Grace of God, because that is our belief-it is sufficient. Give it to God, Diane. Did Jesus back away from the hard teachings? No

  5. Diana Strong
    3 years ago

    This is why the Catholic Church continues to lose followers in the US. It must try to connect with people and understand their realities. Women need to be in control of their bodies and be able to support themselves and families. When we use birth control we are trying to be responsible. As a mother of three daughters I am realistic and educate them to protect themselves. The modern economy requires them to work. The reality is that some individuals do not marry until their late 30's, 40's and even 50's and to think that they will not engage in sexual activity is UNREALISTIC.

  6. Tom in Lazybrook
    3 years ago

    If the Orthodox Deli was the only place to eat and the government prohibited other food service options from opening nearby (as in a 'certificate of need' situation for food), spent taxpayer dollars to bulid much of the deli, financed the rest of the deli with tax free subsidized debt, then the argument isn't as strong for the advocates of religious control of healthcare. But it would be more correct as an analogy.

  7. SaraPalen
    3 years ago

    wow, and when they speak in the halls of Congress our wonderful politicians talk smack to those varied religious about "Stalinist fashion"?

    hmm, who was pushing abortion and contraception on the people in Russia?- pushing their "bourgeois psydoscience"? not allowing the Church to have a voice-(no personhood for the Church) for its people, despite their sinful nature. (hey, 99% of people break one of the other ten commantments too-no need for the Church at all, then).

    how 'bout talking about some of that history-how the Church was treated in" Stalinist fashion". (since they bring it up)
    how religion was forced out of schools and hospitals then. The bishops in America and other religious leaders have a longer memory of recent history. They have dealt with propoganda, the goal of which, is to separate them from their people, throwing them under the rubble of moral relativism. and yes, it has cost some their lives for standing strong against Stalinist fashion.

  8. Diane
    3 years ago

    Wake up and smell the bacon America!
    (It had to be said) :-)

  9. James
    3 years ago

    The best explanation I've heard so far. Brilliant of Bishop Lori to use the power of the parable to get our point across. Everyone -- Everyone -- should read this, especially Sebelius and Obama.

  10. Robert
    3 years ago

    Vote for a conservative.

    The democratic party is not the same democratic party it was 50 years ago.

    The platform of democratic party consists of: limiting/eliminating religious liberty, abortion, gay marriage, gay adoption, gun control, climate change, socialism, marxism, communism.

    Pelosi, "a applaud Pres. Obama for standing up to the bishops. Catholics have that conscience thing."
    Biden, " I understand your one child policy"
    Sebelius, " Free contraceptive is now a right."

    The Democratic party has turned away from Christ.

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