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Health Care, the Sophistry of Nancy Pelosi and that 'Conscience Thing' Comments

Not only do our consciences need to be formed, they can also become deformed and regularly need to be re-formed. That is all too evident when we look at the way in which some Catholics, like Nancy Pelosi, approach political participation.She intentionally confuses others about what the Catholic Church teaches concerning conscience. Consciences are "good" when they are properly formed in the truth which leads the person to do what is ... Continue Reading

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  1. tony_g_s
    2 years ago

    To all,

    Thanks for the welcome. Not enough time to leave comments, so instead, Merry Christmas to all!

    Tony

  2. Vance
    2 years ago

    Rob, Nationalism is a 'Good' thing and here's why. A country is a man and woman's home. It's a place where they plant family roots, build a homestead, become part of a faith community, and become involved in charity and community development activities. This is a place to defend against enemies foreign and domestic. This is the rightful duty of any citizen of a country. The issue of "idolatry" enters into the equation when a country is ruled by a tyrant like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, etc, etc, because these tyrants place themselves on a pedestal to be worshiped as a god. Notice how all Communist Countries and Muslim Despots hang large poster pictures of themselves all over the country the same as we Catholic hang pictures of Jesus in our homes, churches, and places of Christian Organizations. Tyranny is where you find idolatry as nationalism.

  3. Judy
    2 years ago

    In my last post, After Nationalism vs. Isolationism, ( I apologize, and now correct) I left out: Ron Paul is an Isolationist. Therefore, Rick Santorum=Nationalism=IN GOD WE TRUST. Did I make my post understood as originally intended? Blessings.....

  4. Judy
    2 years ago

    Rob, I don't know where to begin, or how much of what to say. I was reading posts between you and Vance, then came along the words nationalism and sin. IF nationalism is all one knows or wants to know, and does not adhere (if Catholic/Christian)to any form to Faith, Worship, or Adoration to Our Lord, or God, then Yes, in my opinion, I would say it is a sin. But Love of Country, is not a sin. One knows in their heart that they love God and humanity. And God and humanity are part of their country. Is there not priests in our military? Now, your post triggered another thought. With a goodly amount of nationalism there was also a good amount of religion. History Abounds. Now: Our Time, Today. With the lead toward socialism, (in Europe religion is way down), hummmm? this is what I think Vance was implying. Obama, a Liberal, some say Liberal-Socialist. or, Liberal Social Progressive, is leading us down the same back alleys as Europe. Europe is not in a good way. Whatever way you look at it. And you know what? Vance is saying, I think, "We are not far behind". In my opinion, and we all have them, Vance does have foresight in this arena. He is not blind. Now here is that word again. When you posted your answer to me on "blind" it was good. I understood and agreed. I heard your authentic Truth. We all want the same thing. You do too. Another thought triggered=Nationalism vs. Isolation=Ron Paul. Nationalism, IN GOD WE TRUST, is better!!!!!!!!! Blessings......

  5. Rob
    2 years ago

    Unfortunately not everyone in this country agrees on that point. And that is our problem. But I do think that sometimes the message of Christ can be supplanted by nationalism. And when that happens that idolatry is no better than any other sin.

  6. Vance
    2 years ago

    Rob, Jesus didn't defend himself against his accusers because he chose to be there to die for our salvation and complete is mission on earth according to the will of God the Father. We as a nation are not here to die but rather fight for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We are here to fight for the most vulnerable in our society. Note the words "HATE" the sin. Anger is properly directed when it is aimed at Amorality and Immorality. How do we know the difference? We have the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Catechism of the Catholic Church to help us direct our anger properly.

  7. Rob
    2 years ago

    vance, you ask a tough question. How exactly do we respond? I seem to recall in the gospels Pilate's frustration with Jesus because he would not respond and would not defend himself despite the attacks he was enduring. I don't think it get's any worse than that. What appeared to be Christ's failure was his complete victory over sin and death. I don't know where you draw the line in terms of "righteous anger" and regular anger that can destroy. We have a lot to be angry about these days, but I think as Christians we have a duty to ensure our response is Christ like. I for one struggle with this concept and sometimes I cross the line (sorry). Deacon's article on the brotherhood of the belt is excellent on this topic.

  8. JoAnn
    2 years ago

    Tony_g_s: Welcome! Judy, absolutely speaks for me too and I'm sure for everybody else. Hope you stay. We all have been dialoguing for quite some time, we are friends and sometimes there my be some "intense fellowship" but we do all love each other. If you stick around, you will see that it's true. God bless.

  9. Judy
    2 years ago

    Tony_g_S: Welcome my brother! "Where two or three or gathered in My Name, there am I in the midst of them". May I inform you that JoAnn and myself are Independents. May I refer you to: Judy Dec. 8th and Rob Dec. 9th. We are all friendly, loving, Catholic brothers and sisters who speak their own authentic Truth. It is true that sometimes we get a bit off-topic, and opinions do come in. But all in all, WE are all Good Catholics wanting the Best for Our Church and Country. I think now, you see emotions sometimes a bit high, because if we loose our country, some see us perhaps see us losing our religious freedoms=Our Church. So yes. This is a Catholic board, Concerned w/Catholic Issues, Social Teaching=that of Holy Mother Church. Our LOVE and RESPECT for one another is why we use our HEARTFELT signage. Come join us if you desire. A Blessed Merry Christmas ...



    e always
    Blessings...

  10. Rob
    2 years ago

    Yes vance, we know, it's all Obama's fault. I can't wait for the GOP to assume the reigns because we've never had unemployement, wars, deficits or problems when they controlled right? I'm sorry that Obama let you down as you seemed to have more faith in his abilities than anyone on the board. I guess that is the reason for you diatribes?


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