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Archbishop Gomez Addresses Immigration with Prophetic Insight and Clarity Comments

'We are called to live our faith in our businesses, homes and communities, and in our participation in public life.That means we have to bring a Catholic faith perspective to this debate about immigration. We cannot just think about this issue as Democrats or Republicans or as liberals or conservatives.' Continue Reading

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  1. Rob
    3 years ago

    I know I'm beating a dead horse with vance because all the ills of the world are due to democrats (and he is right about some of that), but vance, you are way off on immigration. I've seen article after article that states that under the Obama administration there have been more deportations. It's also interesting to note that Reagan was the last president to pass an amnesty law. The last administration purused comprehensive immigration reform. Both parties own the state of immigration and border security as it exist today. 9/11 didn't get a wall built so you all of the sudden expect that the drug wars, of which we are a major consumer, will create these walls. The truth is that neither party cares so when you include the GOP's actions regarding immigration, you are right vance, they are maintaining the status quo. These problems are right vs. left, they really aren't. Business want cheap labor and it's businesses that fund campaigns. American consumers are addicted to cheap products. Everyone has a hand in this mess. I really do wish that were not true. But vance this really isn't as simple as firing one party and hiring the other. The speeches and rhetoric are very different, but in the end, they are the same. Our government has permitted virtually every thing that has befallen it....and both parties compose it.

  2. Jeffrey Caperton
    3 years ago

    Vance, everything you say only goes further to illustrate the hatred in your heart, but, more specifically, while you went through great pains to note the "Black and Hispanic kids who are welfare recipients", you failed to note whites who are also welfare recipients. Where I grew up, (A CONSERVATIVE white working class community in the midwest) it is not uncommon for white males to find it more appealing for their wives (Live-in lovers, whatever the situation) to draw welfare rather than demean themselves working for the minimum wage. But the realitiy is that truth is irrelevant to you people (You, Dottie, whoever) because it conflicts with your political ideologies and rationalizations for your general hatred. But I am glad you shared your comments regarding the black and hispanic community because you finally showed your true colors. You are indeed a bigot and I will certainly share your comments with the minority community so that they can know the white Christian community better.

  3. Robert Burford
    3 years ago

    Deuteronomy 10:19 " Love the stranger then because you were once strangers in Egypt" We are talking about human beings who are strangers, who sometimes have trouble with a language where the same sound has different meanings.
    Won and One

  4. Bulbajer
    3 years ago

    Should immigrants cross the border legally? Yes. But we have to cut some slack to those who, for one reason or the other, can not. The flow of illegal immigrants will never stop if we just keep deporting them. A good chunk of those people are simply fleeing turmoil. They will cross the border no matter how strict the laws are, because they want the best for their families. We have to treat them as the human beings they are. I think that's what the Bishops are getting at.

  5. vance
    3 years ago

    Jef Caperton, Well, my fuzzy warm hearted, opened minded, intellectual Goliath Friend, I can see you are on duty fighting the scourages of Conservative, Orthodox Catholic Hatred and Bigotry. I can understand your point of view as a stalwart Liberal Establishment trooper. You guys have been pushing to legalized POT and Prostitution for decades. You guys have a cheritable heart and pushed for a welfare state. So this explains why you want a wide open border that allows tons of drugs to flow across the border to all those Black and Hispanic kids who are welfare recipients. This also includes young grade school girls who are shipped across the border to be sold as sex slaves, porn stars, and prostitutes. Yes Jeff, we conservative bigots need to be open minded because drugs and prostitution are "Victimless Crimes" according to the Intellectual Liberal Establishment.

  6. Larry
    3 years ago

    @ Jeffery: you obviously feel strongly about this. I won't speak for anyone here, but in my 54+ years, the issue of immigration when I have talked with other people, always boiled down to one thing. Money, and the cost to the states. Personally I do not beleive anyone should be stopped from living where they want. This planet is ours, everyones. I know of whole famlies brought from other countrys, and the next day signed up for S.S.I.. I agree with those who think this is wrong. no country can afford to do what we do, not even us. People will also mention jobs and how foreigners take ours, and some complaign they drive down the wages. But the big thing is the money, and all the hand outs they get.

  7. Michael
    3 years ago

    Doc G.

    Interesting question. To use an example of wild life. Fish are spawned in hatcheries and then put in the lakes and rivers for the sport. If those fish spawn then the off spring is a "native" because it was born and brought up in the "wild". The big difference is there are no laws if the fish were born in a river and say went to the ocean.
    Wouldn't it be the same here? The difference being there are law's. If two illeagal immigrants give birth here they are breaking the law and they are having a child as, whatever their nationality is, in this country. Since they are not American citizens the chid born is born outside their nationalty yet their nationality is the one which their child belongs because that is what they hold. They are not American citizens so niether is their child. If an American couple has a child in, say Kenya, that child is still an American citizen because his parents are America, Same applies to foriegnes born here.
    Something to think about, definitely.

    Dottie, I'm with you!!

  8. vance
    3 years ago

    Dottie, Right on! The good Archbishop ignores a huge problem with illegal aliens and that is a wide open, uncontrolled border. He speaks correctly about the indifference to God and religion but the tons of drugs that flow freely across the southern border feed into that indifference. It is millions of Hispanic kids who are victims of this criminal enterprise that florishes from a wide open, uncontrolled border. The Marxist Democrat Party wants to keep things status quo.

  9. Jeffrey Caperton
    3 years ago

    The reality is that my response to Dottie was quiet extreme, but I intended to appear every bit the bigot that she appeared, fully aware of the responses that I would receive. But let me ask you, how is it that, with regard to issues such as abortion, we can engage in metaphyiscal discussions whereby we can generally agree that law and morality are not one and the same, but with issues such as immigration, equally controversial in moral implications, we feel that the letter of the law must be observed? For that matter, just why do most of you people hate these immigrants, and hate is exactly what it is? From my own perspective, even as a child growing up in a working class small town in the Midwest, I felt that immigration laws were a convenient means for the "have's" to keep out the "have not's", but that is probably a bit too deep for this crowd as there is no rational discussion going on here, only the usual bigotry and incivility that the Internet allows us to manifest behind the cloak of anonymity that the Internet provides because many of us would lose our teeth behaving in this manner on the streets, as we should. And perhaps we need to see some violence before we finally wake up and see just the kind of people we have become because rational discussion is nonexistent and the Gospel message has not penetrated the hearts of humanity after two thousand years. But on to more specific items. Shawn, you feel that the Church should limit itself to the Gospel and "stay out of politics". I notice most of us say that when a Church official takes a position with which we disagree and applaud their courage to preach the Gospel when they take a position with which we agree. You cannnot have it both ways. Larry, you are right. We need to stop talking about it and start fixing it. The trouble is that nobody can agree how to fix it. For instance, there are those who would agree with me when I say it is our Christian duty to extend a hand of friendship to these immigrants, not shake our fist in their face. I probably need not remind you of the 25th chapter of Matthew: "Then the upright will say to him in reply, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and make you welcome, lacking clothes and clothe you? When did we find you sick or in prison and go to see you?' And the King will answer, 'In truth I tell you, in so far as you did this to one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did it to me.'" And he went further to say, "In truth I tell you, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me." rn4dstork (Is that a real name?), just for your information, I live in Los Angeles county and I deal with illegals on a daily basis and have found them far more kind and more civilized than most of the people who post comments at this website. It is you who have no clue. Bob, if Bishop Gomez is unqualified to speak on this issue because he is Mexico, you are equally unqualified because you are from the U.S. Consequently, the only people qualified to speak on this issue are people outside of Mexico or the U.S. And if you wish to leave the Catholic Church, I am sure the Catholic Church will survive without you. Jan, you are the one person who remembers to Gospel, something the rest of us have forgotten. The truth is, most of us find the Gospel inconvenient to our politics and our bigotry. Perhaps if people would observe "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you", not to mention the Golden Rule, most of the world's problems could be solved with far less ill will. I fully deserve your chastisement. And Alex was equally correct. I did come off quiet the hypocrite, which was what I intended. Dottie needed to see herself reflected in the mirror. But I will let all of you have the last word on this. For me, I will go and pray for a better world where people do love one another rather than shake a fist in each other's face.

  10. Doc G
    3 years ago

    Just for something to bat around for a while - here's a question I ponder from time to time: How long does a group have to be living in a place to become a "native"? Assume, for the sake of argument, that all "Native Americans" are descendants of the group(s) of people who crossed the so called Siberian - Alaskan land bridge. How long, then, do they have to inhabit the territory before they can be called "natives"? Obviously, those who crossed are Siberian natives, so they can't be native Americans. The first generation born in the new land might be natives, but if the people moved back to Siberia after a time, are those born here still native Americans, or merely Siberians born away from home. So, how many generations does it take - two, three, ten, a thousand? Now, what if another group comes to the continent from the Atlantic side at about the same time (hypothetically, of course). Can this group ever become native Americans? Or, can only the first group to set foot in a heretofore unoccupied territory ever be called natives? Over how much territory does ther exclusive right to nativity extend - all the way to Tierra del Fuego? Or does this "land of nativity" only extend as far as the advancing wave of humanity? I could go on and on. It's an interesting intellectual exercise, but in the end that's all it is. People move. Groups move. When I was a kid, I recall asking my father what "native" corn was. He told me that it was corn that was grown here, not somewhere else. I wonder, does that work for people, too?


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