Archbishop Gomez Addresses Immigration with Prophetic Insight and Clarity Comments
'We are called to live our faith in our businesses, homes and communities, and in our participation in public life.That means we have to bring a Catholic faith perspective to this debate about immigration. We cannot just think about this issue as Democrats or Republicans or as liberals or conservatives.' Continue Reading
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By the way, Vance, who is the "insane" person here; you, me, or both? (Be fair).
Bulbajer, you have a good idea. But I have yet to see Vance extend an olive branch as he cannot get beyond the name-calling, sarcasm, and general disrespect towards those who do not agree with his politics, and he is unapologetic about it. And worse still is my tendency to respond in kind, making me every bit the fool as he. I have actually discussed this with a priest, sharing some of the comments I have read (Not only those of Vance) and he repsonded that this behavior has become a cancer in this country and advised me to simply avoid editorial sites, which is sound advice. And he also chastised me for stooping to their level, and rightly so. What is funny is that I really do not even care about the politics of what people have to say as I have been around long enough to know that we are generally only going to agree to disagree (Sounds a lot like Congress, does it not?). What bothers me, as I mentioned before, is the stereotyping, rancorous statements, name-calling, sarcasm, and other general disrespect. I realize that responding in kind does not help matters, but, I have a hard time ignoring bullies. Shame on me.
vance, I'm sorry, I'm just not biting. If the House of Representatives can weild the power it has today over fiscal matters, then it surely can over these others if they were really that important to them. I know you think I'm a liberal because sometimes it appears like I'm defending Obama. Believe me I'm as far from it as I can get. Other than not voting for Obama, not sure what more I can do. But I'm sick of pretending that these social issues that are destroying our country are important to the so-called conservatives of today. I don't expect much of a morally bankrupt party that promotes abortion so I'm not looking at dems for answers. They don't raise the bar very high for themselves and they can't govern. We better be counting our lucky stars they can't because Obama could have weilded all sorts of harm with a super majority, but did not. We can always count on them wanting to straddle both sides of the fence. But I do take a lot of exception to a party that is supposed to stand for so much but continually fails to deliver. I have never seen the effort expended for a tax cut on abortion or any other social evil. I see a lot of lip service, but nothing more. It's because of that why so many well meaning people just don't consider those issues when voting anymore.
Bulbajer, thank you for trying to broker a peace accord. That old conventional wisdom, "Never argue with an insane person because the by-standers won't know the difference" is very true.
Rob, wrong again, Conservatives never, ever wanted what we have today. The Conservative movement going back to Barry Goldwater were staunchly against Abortion, Euthanasia, Adultery, Pornography, loose morals, drugs, etc etc.. During the 1980's we had the Moral Majority lead by the late Gerry Falwell. We had First Lady Nancy Reagen and her "Say No To Drugs" campaign. The problem has been that the Conservatives had never captured the Presidency with a super majority in congress. If the Conservatives should ever gain what the Marxists enjoyed in 2008, you will see a huge difference in governance.
I agree with what our Church says, but I must agree with Dottie, that as a Catholic, I was always taught to obey the law. When people demonstrate in the streets with signs that say "Make Us Go Home" instead of "Help Us to Immigrate As Others Have", this group no longer has my sympathy. They have come illegally, this is against the law. I wonder why the Church is so concerned. Is it because the growing numbers of Mexicans can keep the Church alive in this country? I remember a homily by a priest at my parish, who spoke about Catholic Churches closing in Ireland, because attendance was down. Is the Church afraid that this will happen, if thousands of Mexicans are sent back to Mexico? Are they the only group worth the New Evangelization? We were once ALL strangers, and the Church held out its arms to everyone. I would like to see our Church fight for immigration reform, but reform for EVERYONE, not just one group.
Hey everybody, let's play a game. It's called the drop-it-and-love-eachother game. I don't exactly have a neutral opinion on this issue, but it seems to me that we've stopped arguing about it and started dishing out the insults. Peace.
Vance, The only lie I see in this forum is you. Your sanctimonious "I am right and the world is wrong" approach is nothing less than bigotry and self-righteousness. You have no Christian charity in your heart; only rancor. If liberalism is a lie and a false promise, conservatism is a sailor on shore leave promising that he will still love us tomorrow morning. The reality is that liberalism and conservatism are no more than two drunken rednecks sitting at a bar arguing politics. You are the piece of work. You are the lie.
vance, to a degree you are right. To the extent "liberalism" has allowed evil into our society I will agree with you. But the thing that I find odd is that where are the conservatives fighting it? It seems to me that if the "conservatives" can stop the wheels of government for a tax cut, why not for abortion or the whole multitude of evils that plague our society? As far as the government's role goes, things are the way they are because both conservatives and liberals want it that way. If they really didn't want it that way, it wouldn't be. I agree with you vance, liberalism is a lie, but as far as conservatism goes in government, it's a lie too.
Jeff, you are a real piece of work from Liberal Intellectual Munchcin Land. You Liberals have been beating your gums about minority victimization and elected yourselves as "Great White Saviors" of minorities. Yet, you guys have victimized Blacks and Hispanics with your inferior public education system while your drug dealers are pushing Pot, Cocain, Meth, and Black tar on them. Your Liberal Establishment Media pushes out-of-wedlock sex, teen pregnancies, and abortion to create a 70% birth rate to single mothers among the Black community. Jeff, Liberalism is a Lie and a False promise.