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Faux-Catholic Discussion on 'Sexual Diversity and the Catholic Church' Comments

A series of talks sponsored by gay activists groups is proposing that the Catholic Church needs to 'reconsider' the way it addresses homosexuality. Claiming that the Catholic Church has had a monologue on LGBT issues, rather than a discussion, the participants in these talks say they want to see the Catholic laity more involved. But aren't the Catholic laity already involved? Continue Reading

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  1. John
    3 years ago

    If LGBT activists have a problem with the church teachings then I suggest they take it up with God.

  2. Daniel
    3 years ago

    Once again, homosexuality is defined by sex, heterosexuality is defined by God. Homosexuality is defined by nothing more than a sexual act. It cannot be defined by children. It cannot be defined by love. It cannot be defined by marriage. It is defined when two people engage in perverted sexual activity. As for those who do not understand the Church's stance on this issue, and have no faith in the Catholic Church, "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world". Amen

  3. Dan
    3 years ago

    Mt 11:19
    "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds."

    Jesus is about mercy and love. He CAME for sinners. I am not at all saying that homosexuals should be allowed to marry in our Church, but we have absolutely no right to judge or condemn LGBT lifestyles. Only Jesus can judge them and it is our obligation as Catholics to love them, pray for them, and offer spiritual guidance for them.

  4. D
    3 years ago

    To the marshal:
    The Catholic Church is the only moral authority that means anything. Everything else is objectified. You cannot change the teachings of Jesus and that's what it's about. If you want to put your tongue in another guys mouth go ahead but do it in your house not God's.

  5. Billy Atwell
    3 years ago

    Vance, I agree that liberal "Catholics" are usually put forward as if their voice is one of authority. I haven't seen a case we a Bishop or priest is the one advancing their cause, though that may have happened.

    I would caution you about saying that these people need to be kicked out of the Church. They are not denying the Magisterium or the authority of the Papacy (from what I can tell), which are the usual grounds for excommunication. We all sin gravely, and rejecting a Church teaching is certainly a grave sin. But I wouldn't make pastoral judgments about how a Bishop or Pope should respond to these kinds of faux-Catholic demonstrations.

    I think the responsibility falls on the laity, honestly. The Pope, Cardinals and Bishops cannot be more clear about the teaching of the Church. Their lectures, homilies, writings, the Catechism, the Social Doctrine, etc all make the case against homosexual acts very clear. The responsibility of doing something with those teachings is our job. We need to "carry the banner", as I said in the article, against this misrepresentation that the Church is a monologue on issues like homosexuality. It's patently false, and we should do something about explaining our teachings and show that we aren't following blindly--we know what we're talking about.

    Thanks for reading and commenting!
    ----
    Jean Catherine--thanks for your encouragement!

  6. trapblock
    3 years ago

    You don't have to be a well-formed Catholic, there are many reasons to oppose putting the term 'gay' and 'marriage' together... especially on the proponents claims for 'equality'. First and foremost because gays don't want the same thing...
    It is well documented that fidelity for heterosexual people and those with a homosexual inclination are two compeletly different things...
    Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" or "monogamous" typically means something radically different than in heterosexual marriage.

    · A Canadian study of homosexual men who had been in committed relationships lasting longer than one year found that only 25 percent of those interviewed reported being monogamous." According to study author Barry Adam, "Gay culture allows men to explore different...forms of relationships besides the monogamy coveted by heterosexuals."

    · The Handbook of Family Diversity reported a study in which "many self-described 'monogamous' couples reported an average of three to five partners in the past year. Blasband and Peplau (1985) observed a similar pattern."

    · In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that, in a study of 156 males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years:
    Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.

    Don't believe the lie that this is about equality... it is not.

  7. Angelo
    3 years ago

    people want more, people are never fully complete. Homosexuals have the right to get married in some states in civil unions, isnt that enough? Why push Jesus Christ to the limit. Of course God is all love and mercy but we can't abuse. Homosexuals want to more accpected by the church. How can the church allow something of that nature when it clearly states in the bible, the act of homosexuality is sinful. The sin no longer wants to be called a sin, the sin is now a life style. Thats just my thoughts.
    -Have a blessed day

  8. Ted of Windsor
    3 years ago

    Summary of my thinking regarding the Sin: During the last few decades many Catholic Universities and institutions have opted for deliberately walking away from a strict Catholic identity and teachings to a more secular position. In many institutions, Catholic ideals and teachings were seen as an unwanted interference in the academic work of the faculty, and Catholic intellectual traditions were not to be given any privilege. In practice, this meant that attempts to teach Catholic doctrine soon came to be seen as inappropriate or intolerant. Thus, the pluralism espoused by many faculty members did not mean a genuine dialogue between Catholic teachings and other ideas, but rather, only respect for those Catholic principles that the faculty already agreed with. This change at the faculty level has been accompanied by a laicization of the leadership of Catholic colleges. Many of the institutions transferred their charters and property holdings to independent boards of trustees, composed of a majority of lay people, and in so doing obtained legally guaranteed independence from Church authority. In part, some of this trend to a secularization of the institutions was due to legal issues related to the matter of being eligible for government funding. As a result the Catholic colleges proclaimed their religious identity to the parents of prospective students and to alumni, but renounced in the public sphere their Catholic identity.

    The question asked by this FORUM should be: "Is Homosexuality a Sin?" There has been no shortage of controversy as gay people assume increased roles as parents and married couples in our society, but almost nowhere has this conflict been more intense than in the church. Many religious leaders have condemned homosexuality as the Deadly Sin, calling it a sin or even an abomination, but for millions of gay people around the world, there is nothing inherently sinful about their sexual preferences. homosexuality is the Deadly Sin, the Abortion is therefore murder, which are forbidden to Christians by the will and express law of the Lord."

    WHAT IS A SIN?? Actual sin is any willful thought, desire, word, action or ommission forbidden by the law of God. (1) LUST: Hankering for impure pleasures. (2) SLOTH: Laxity in keeping the Faith and the practice of virtue, due to the effort involved.

    THE FOUR SINS CRYING TO HEAVEN FOR VENGEANCE:
    (1) Willful murder [including abortion and applies to euthanasia] (2) The sin of Sodom. (3) Oppression of the poor. (4) Defrauding laborers of their wages.
    THE SIX SINS AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT: Obstinacy in sin.
    NINE WAYS OF BEING ACCESSORY TO ANOTHER'S SIN: (1) By counsel. (2) By command. (3) By consent. (4) By provocation. (5) By praise or flattery. (6) By concealment. (7) By partaking. (8) By silence. (9) By defense of the ill done
    I do believe homosexuality is much worse that promiscuity. Homosexuality is the SIN of Sodom. As above has already stated, they are both lusts of the flesh. I know some might argue that because God made man to be united with woman, that homosexuality is worse. And while it's true, God did create woman for man, He also instituted the marriage "covenant." So either sinful fulfillment of the flesh is considered an abomination to God. I don't know what the statistics are, but perhaps it would be interesting to compare the average "rate" that a promiscuous woman/man sins, with a homosexual. But all sins are equally "bad" from the standpoint that once the Law of God is broken, it's broken. Also shows why pornography is so destructive-training the mind on alternative unreal mental images will destroy the neurological bond with normal wife. "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." Galatians 6:7-8 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s." 1 Corinthians 6:18-20

  9. The Marshal
    3 years ago

    To continue to target gay and lesbian citizens with spiritual abuse and civil discrimination is just plain wrong; no matter where the justification comes from.
    The Catholic Church has zero moral authority or credibility on issues of human sexuality, gender and orientation. It's been the world's organization to cover up sexual abuse of children.
    Most mainstream young adults today support gay marriage.

  10. JeanCatherine
    3 years ago

    Excellent article. Thanks.


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