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Couple Rejected: Will Christians Be Allowed to Provide Foster Care in England? Comments

What happened to Eunice and Owen Johns this past week concerning their participation in foster care is ominous. What is next for Catholics and other Christians if this trend continues?  We are in the throes of a Cultural Revolution involving two competing visions of the human person, human flourishing, the true nature of marriage - the family and society founded upon it - and the definition of the common good. These two visions of the ... Continue Reading

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  1. Rose
    3 years ago

    The church needs to support the marriage if any two consenting adults. They need the same support guidance and wisdom hetero couples do. And we do need to be concerned about how Catholic parents would react to a gay child. These children have already been through so much the last thing they need is more insensitivity. Don't buy into the hype that gays are not committed couples because it's not true.

  2. JeanCatherine
    3 years ago


    Time and Time again the Catholic Church addresses the question of homosexuality and time and time again the world never gets it and probably never will.

    God has given us a plan in life to follow and that is what we Christians follow.

    By the way Rob the church has always been young even from the beginning.

    Even science recognizes that she was right when it came to the fact that they always held we had only one set of parents Adam and Eve. The Scientific community theorized we had several sets and well they were proved wrong.

    I stand by the church that she will be right about her view on the dignity of Same Sex persons as well in her Pastoral Care.

    If you get a chance go to EWTN and click on their youtube link on their webpage: Scroll down to Life on the Rock series with Father Paul Check re: Courage Apostolate. Looks pretty uptodate to me what the church teaches on the dignity of Same Sex persons.

    God Bless.

  3. Bulbajer
    3 years ago

    I'll be quite honest, I don't exactly agree with Church teaching about homosexuality. But this is just wrong! First of all, they have a good track record. Is the court going to go after the 15 kids they raised and examine them for "defects"? Are they going to restrict the freedoms of those kids because they've been "corrupted"? Second of all, the court is being unfairly selective here. Do the courts examine each foster family for attitudes "inimical to the interests of children"? Perhaps they soon will. And perhaps "regular" families are next; will kids be taken away from their parents? I hate to say it, but I'm not sure my liberal companions will have the sense to say "Hey, wait a minute now..." even at that extreme point.

  4. John from Nebraska
    3 years ago

    From The Scotsman (Edinburgh): "Eunice and Owen Johns, from Derby, went to court after a social worker raised concerns when they said they could not tell a child a "homosexual lifestyle" was acceptable." I applaud the Johns for sticking to their beliefs. In this particular case the Johns were applying for an application to provide foster care in Scotland. The state has mandated that one cannot talk against a homosexual lifestyle if you are going to provide the paid service of foster care for the state. It's a big leap to go from that point into believing that the state would mandate the beliefs of children in the home of their biological parents. It's an even bigger leap to see this sort of legal precedent happening in the US (which is one reason why such activity is so alarming to Americans.) Remember, Scotland (a member of the UK) has a history of secularization dating back to the founding of the Church of England. I also question the John's decision to abandon foster care over this point. Many of us don't openly advocate our Christian beliefs on our jobs for fear of losing them... yet we find ways to make Christ visible though our example. Wouldn't it have been far more valuable for the John's to have accepted this caveat as part of the job and then provided foster children with a loving Christian home? So they have to stay silent on one issue... a small price to pay to bring the love of Christ to an abused, neglected or abandoned child. Honestly, my personal experience has been that the more people "talk the talk" the less likely they are to "walk the walk." You know who the Christians are by the way they love, the way they speak, the way they treat others. I think everyone loses in this story.

  5. K.C.Thomas
    3 years ago

    The legislation about this adoption homosexuality etc is passed in the Parliament. It shows that majority of the parliamentarians are against the morality taught by religions specially Christianity and that they believe in the sanctity of all sexual perversions. According to me there is pure madness and extreme desire for sexual pleasures without restrictions in the minds of large number of people. They will serve as the demolishers of present civilization They will remove or abandon words like marriage, sacredness of family etc from the dictionary

  6. nino
    3 years ago

    it's coming and already here. A photographer (female) in Arizona I believe, was called by a gay couple wanting her to photograph their civil union ceremony. She told them they would be better served by someone else. After pushing, she said her Christian beliefs would not allow this. They sued her and and the state fined her under the equal protection clause included in the civil unions laws. It's coming. The so-called gay marriage rate is 2% of 3% of the population. That's 2% of gays actually marry and only 3% of the population is gay. The average length of a so called gay marriage is 18 months. The amount of domestic violence is huge. We are taking state regulated foster care classes. The things they ask are laughable when you consider stability of the home. There is no such thing as this in the gay culture. The media likes to paint is as rosy, it's not. These laws will just encourage kids and others to experiment because it 'appears ok' and we will see an increase in same sex activity, just like when abortion was made legal. Remember the Aids crisis they tried to scare me with when I was in 9th grade. I never got it and neither did hardly anyone I know or hardly anyone in the country. Why? It was pervasive in the gay culture, not in the hetero culture. I only wish someone would have told me that being chaste as the 100% solution to not getting aids really. Very few are from blood transfusions statistically. No society in history that allows so called gay marriage has ever survived. If you think it has, name one. This isn't about religioun, it's about natural law. How exactly does this culture think it will procreate? Oh, I guess we'll just use test tubes. Why not, all rules are out the window anymore anyway. I will cling to my God and my Church...The Church!

  7. ck
    3 years ago

    I am not surprised. England has long been sliding down the slope of diluted values and morality. Many years ago my father was visiting England for business. On his way to his destination he grabbed a cab. When the cab driver, who was an older gentleman, realized my Dad was an American, they started talking. In short he said two things. 1. He expressed how thankful he was for our country's involvement during WWII. 2. He said the younger generations had NO CLUE and didn't even care. They had already forgotten. So what does this have to do with this article? It illustrates a loss of vales in only 1-2 generations. Anyone with half a brain knows that our grandparents (yes, I'm in my 30's) where the GREAT generation. They sacrificed and made things better for us with their blood and hard work. What future can a country have that forgets its past and its values? Today, England it the Atheist hub of the world so can we really be surprised by this ruling? It is sad, but let us learn from this and not be complacent. Instead, let us make sure it does not happen here in the U.S. And of course, let’s pray for England. On a positive note -- they said the Pope would be treated horrible when he visited, but in fact, he was welcomed warmly. There is always hope.

  8. Graeme
    3 years ago

    Davide, I fear you may be right when the socialist nanny state becomes more powerful. Rob, the Catholic stance is not homophobic, the Cardinal's letter clearly stated that homosexuals should be treated with compassion.
    The following web-link may illustrate who's in control and where we are headed: - "The sky is the limit" as they say, but in our case I suppose that hell is the limit.

  9. Daniel
    3 years ago

    Rob, you do not belong here. You have time and again shown your hate for the Catholic Church. A child is not born a homosexual. Just like a child is not born a thief. A thief becomes a thief by stealing. A homosexual becomes a homosexual by performing perverted sexual acts. Before you post, you need to re-educate yourself about what it is exactly that God wants from his creation. And for you to spew your mis-informed opinion in this forum is not good for you or anyone else. Again, Rob, you do not belong here. For it is written: "But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person. For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within?" (1 Cor, 11-12) You Rob, are within, and it is our responsibility to remove you. We have confronted you at least once regarding your slandering and the like. And on your way out, May God have mercy on you and bless you.

  10. Andy Holland
    3 years ago

    Looks like the Christian 'infection' will no longer be tolerated by those who sit on raised dias, in state built temples, wearing Priestly robes. Embedded in the symbolic evidence of their own hypocrisy Judges cannot see that they have become a religion onto themselves? Modern justices are blind! Perhaps we better begin realizing we have no place in their order and start looking for an existence apart from their world lest we share in Babylon's chastisement.

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