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Social Justice: Take Back the Term from the Thieves and Build a New Catholic Action Comments

Some have begun to use the phrase "Social Justice" in a disparaging manner. They want to expose the error committed by some who have stolen the term "Social Justice" to hide a "leftist" political agenda. There are others who use it but reject the existence of objective moral truths meant to govern our life together. However, some words and phrases must be rescued when they are stolen. Social Justice is such a ... Continue Reading

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  1. Pete Brady
    3 years ago

    Tony: Sixth question. What is "Capitalism?" What are its attributes that you think would lead the Church to "condemn" it?

  2. Pete Brady
    3 years ago

    Tony: Fourth question. What kind of healthcare are we talking about that should be "universal?" Basic, elective, catastrophic, experimental, what?

  3. Pete Brady
    3 years ago

    Tony: Third question. What is the definition of "war?"

  4. Pete Brady
    3 years ago

    Tony: Second question. "IF you are a right-winger YOU ARE A PROTESTANT"? "Right-wing ideology is a product of AMERICAN PROTESTANT CHRISTIANITY!" Where did you get it that a "right-wing" person was a "Protestant?"

  5. Pete Brady
    3 years ago

    Tony: First question. What is a "right-winger?" 'Cause, as far as I know, a right wing oriented person is Christian; pro-life/anti-abortion; against embryonic stem cell research; pro-family/anti-gay rights; pro-American/patriotic; more likely than not, a "free-market" advocate; more likely than not, for "limited" government; wants to see a "federal" not a "national" government in Wash, D.C.; believes in fiscal austerity at all levels of government; wants to so limit state/national "debt" as to liquidate that debt with the generation that incurred it; wants a sound monetary currency/ no fiat currency like the "Federal Reserve Note;" sees a "central bank" as antithetical to "liberty"/wants to eliminate the Federal Reserve. There's probably more, like belief in the 2nd Amendment, that it "constitutionally" affirms the "natural right" of the citizen to "liberty," and that liberty WILL continue to be ours and our posterity's because each citizen is or can be "armed with a gun," in recognition of man's "natural right" to defend "his life, his liberty, and his property." So, again, what is a "right-wnger?"

  6. Tony
    3 years ago

    Vance, thanks for the response, but I'm still a bit puzzled by your message. I think you are still misunderstanding some what I am writing. Ironically, you suggested that i go to a Pro-Life rally; I have attended the March for Life twice, once when I was much younger, and once this past year. I took my students to the March for Life (I teach religion at a Catholic high school). You also suggested that I dust off my Rosary. I say the Rosary every morning when I first wake up, and have for years. I am of course pro-life and pro-family, as you mentioned. However, I am also very anti-death penalty, anti-Iraq War and pro-universal health care, three things which the Catholic Church is undeniably supportive of, but three things which right-wingers generally are not supportive of. That is all I am trying to say, that one can not hope to be entirely right-wing or entirely left-wing and still be entirely Catholic. Vance, the purpose of my posts is that I am pointing out that both the left-wing side of politics as well as the right-wing side of politics are anti-Catholic. You mention that the right-wing side begins with the Bible as well as the Catechism of the Catholic Church, but this is not so at all. The right-wing side of things begins only with the Bible, and only with the Protestant interpretation of it. Case in point: The Iraq War. The Iraq War was staunchly supported by American right-wingers while it was staunchly opposed by the Catholic Church. Why was the Iraq War opposed by Pope John Paul II and the Church? Because of the Just War Doctrine which is found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2309). The Iraq War did not live up to the Church's teachings on justification of war, since there was not a certain danger being presented (there never were weapons of mass destruction in the end) and because not every possible peaceful solution was put into effect. The Iraq War was entirely condemned by our Pope, and went against everything that our Catechism teaches about war. Yet it was supported by right-wingers. This is because the basis of right-wing idelology comes from Protestantism, which can not be denied. Vance, you listed right-wingers as being Pro-Catholic folks. Again, this is quite far from the truth. Many of your fellow right-wingers would condemn you to Hell because you are a 'Papist,' a follower of the wh*re of Babylon, according to them. That is my dispute with right-wingers. Truth be told, I was very much a Republican in the late 90s, as I - like you - was under the impression that the Republican party was more 'Catholic' than the Democratic party. But I was utterly disillusioned in 2003 when the Iraq War was entirely condemned by the Vatican while American right-wing 'Catholics' simply threw the cries of the Pope to the wind and supported the war. I could not believe it. It made me entirely reassess my political outlook (I am now registered as an Independent and condemn both parties), and I became well-aware of all the faults of the right-wing side. Vance, this is my main point: you are identifying yourself as a right-wing, pitting yourself against all left-wingers. I don't think that any honest Catholic can side 100% with right-wingers and still wholeheartedly follow their religion. The only honest Catholic position is to oppose both left-wingers, which are mistakenly pro-choice and pro-homosexual union, while also opposing right-wingers, which are mistakenly pro-death penalty, pro-war, and anti-health care reform. My concern is that far too many Catholics are erroneously siding with right-wingers because of the issues of abortion and gay marriage, but then - when a test such as the Iraq War comes - Catholic right-wingers totally ignore the Church and choose to side with the right-wingers simply because they want to oppose all left-wing ideology.. So in the end, when push comes to shove... Catholics choosing to be faithful to either the left-wing or the right-wing end up choosing their political party above all things, leaving the Catholic Church in the dust. Vance, I am condemning both left-wing and right-wing ideology in support of no longer dividing Catholics among political parties - we should all be faithful to the Church, and nothing more, because neither the left-wingers or the right-wingers represent our Catholic faith. God Bless.

  7. Tony
    3 years ago

    Pete, yes the USCCB does have a liberal stance on many issues, but this is not anti-Catholic in anyway, as the Catholic Church itself is liberal on the same issues. For instance, we are all familiar with the Church's consistent condemnation of the death penalty in modern society. Pope John Paul II wrote to President Bush urging them not to give Timothy McVeigh the death penalty. This letter was not released to the public, but it was a well-known fact. See this article: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93433&page=1 or this article, in which our right-wing Vice President is in utter disagreement with our Pope, saying that the Pope is mistaken: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93429&page=1 Thus, it is an undeniable fact that our Pope and our Church do take liberal stances on certain issues, while taking conservative stances on other issues. So while the USCCB is liberal at times, this is entirely consistent with the Catholic Church. The USCCB has not been liberal in erroneous ways, but liberal in ways faithful to the liberal stances of the Catholic Church. At the same time, the USCCB has been conservative in the ways that the Church has been conservative, such as in opposing abortion and opposing gay marriage. It is inaccurate to label the Catholic Church as 'conservative,' and it is equally as inaccurate to label the Catholic Church as 'liberal.' The Catholic Church is conservative on some issues, while liberal on other issues. Thanks for the post about Gallileo, I found that to be very interesting, I was not familiar with all of the history of his situation. As for global warming, I know very little about its scientific proof/lack of proof. My reason for mentioning global warming was that I do know, for a fact, that the condemnation of global warming was certainly not mentioned in the Catechism or by any Church official, and yet Anne was mentioning global warming as if it's simply something that should be condemned because it came out of the left-wing while she was simultaneously telling the rest of us that we should only read the Catechism and ignore everything else. It simply showed that there is a hypocritical line of right-wing thinking on this board, telling others to only read the Catechism while condemning issues not condemned by the Catechism. It perfectly demonstrated my point that too many people here are putting their right-wing bias ahead of their allegiance to the Catholic Church. And yes Pete, I agree, it is not accurate to say that we should only read the Catechism; that is exactly like believing in 'Sola Scriptura,' which is of course flawed. That's why I am in such strong support of our Bishops. The Bishops take the theology which is found in the Catechism and apply it to our American society. They do not, in any way, preach anything contrary to the Catechism or to the Vatican. They preach in union with it, simply applying it to our country. Give me one example of something the Bishops have officially promoted/condemned that directly and explicitly goes against anything mentioned by the Pope or the Vatican. It cannot be done, because the USCCB - to my knowledge - has always been faithful to the Catholic Church. So saying that the USCCB has a liberal bias on some issues would be accurate, but saying that the USCCB has an erroneous liberal bias would be entirely inaccurate. Again, the main purpose of my posts is to show that Catholics need to be faithful strictly to the Church, because both the right-wing and the left-wing are equally in opposition to the Church's teachings.


  8. vance
    3 years ago

    Tony, You say 'Help nations to empower themselves', 'illegals need to be treated with compassion', 'Universal Health care is a Right'. How would you empower people who live under a dictatorship to help themselves?? The dictator holds absolute power and holds all the 'GUNS' so they will not be over-thrown. Without bringing the whole nation here to the US, how can we help them? Mexico is a corrupt country but not a HARD DICTATORSHIP. The citizens of Mexico could stay in their country to demand reforms that will allow better opportunities for a 'BETTER LIFE'. Mexico is a SOCIALIST NATION. I thought I heard that socialsim is a GREAT THING. Why are these people coming the this GREEDY CAPITALIST country? Hmm?? Tony, Where in this nation are 'Illegals" being treated inhumanly with no compassion?? Go look in your local Emergency Room and guess what you will see? That's right, a room full of illegals. Go look in your local Social Services Office and see who is receiving SSI and what will you see?? Right Again!! Illegals! By the way Tony, SSI comes out of the Social Seurity fund that pays elderly Social Security Benefits and Medicare. Universal Healthcare is a right. Let's go back to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He gave us the parable of the 'Good Samaritan'. Who was the "Good Samaritan"? Was he Ceasar of Rome? Was he King Herrod? Jesus did not say or imply that charity comes from Ceasar or Herrod. Ceasar and Herrod are THE GOVERMENT. Jesus said it is imcumbent upon us as 'INDIVIDUALS' to help our neighbors in need. It is your 'CHOICE' and mine to help our neighbor Not Ceasar's or King Herrod's. Yes, Jesus said to render onto Ceasar what is his and he told the TAX COLLECTOR to NOT take what is unjust.
    You reguard the USCCB as the Vatican. There are a few members of the USCCB who are heroes who stand up and defend the Catholic Church like Bishop Nienstadt as an example. Sadly they represent only a handful among Liberal Activists that represent the majority. I pray everyday that God will send us more Bishops like Nienstadt.

  9. vance
    3 years ago

    Tony, I was addressing your rant on "Right Wingers" and how they dominate the online comments. Have you ever talked to a "Right-Winger" with a cahm open mind and open ear? OK, "I" will admit that "I" am a "RIGHT-WINGER". NO, I AM NOT A PROTESTANT! The Right-Winger's mindset (Catholic or Protestant) BEGINS with the BIBLE. It begins with Bible scripture, Bible teachings, Bible traditions and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. This is the foundation on which the 'Right-Winger' views what is 'right or wrong' in the world. Our Catholic Brother Pete Brady articulated it well in the above comment, "The church tells us that Faith and Reason ar not opposed to one another". Right-Wingers are just as BIG of sinners as anyone else. Yes, some of us love to party hardy, some of us trip and fall. BUT we never lose sight of what is the rightful things in life- Bible, Church, and Church teachings. Tony, if you want to meet 'Right-Wingers' come out to a Pro-Life prayer rally and dust off those rosary beads of yours and join in. Come out and join in a Walk-For-Life and you will see "Right-Wingers". Let us juxtapose this with "Left-Wingers". Left-Wingers are political creatures. Yes there are some who attend mass and take the Boby of Christ ( Nancy Pelosi ). Their first religion is LIBERALISM. They follow the gospel of the Democrat Party Platform, the gospel of the National Organization for Women, the gospel of Hollywood and the Rock-n-Roll Industry (MTV), the gospel of Karl Marx, the gospel of Charles Darwin, the gospel of Liberal Newspeak. After this , they might find room for Jesus Christ only if they can TWIST the Word of the Lord to fit their own agenda. The USCCB are an element of the Catholic Church but they ARE NOT 'THE' Catholic Church. The Vatican is THE Catholic Church. The Catechism and Canon Law comes from the Vatican NOT from the USCCB. Thank God! Liberals are sociopaths. When they commit sins, they blame their sin on something or someone else. "Someone else made me do this." Instead of admitting they sinned, they justify what they are doing by trying to CHANGE or DISREGUARD what the Church teaches. Homosexuality and Homosexual Marriage is a prime example. Liberals do not admit to wrong doing they attempt to justify their misdeeds by trying to convince everyone else that it is OK. "Everyone else is doing it". Does this all sound familiar to you??? Tony, If you are the Big Catholic and scholar that you say you are (I will take your word for it) I don't understand why you have a huge problem with Pro-Lifer's, Walk-For-Lifer's, the Pro-Marriage folks, the anti-pornography folks, the Prayer-in-School folks, the Pro-Merry Christmas in the public square folks, the Pro-Nativity scene in the public square folks, Pro-Family Values folks, Pro-Bill of Rights folks, Pro-Catholic Church folks, Pro-Christianity folks, and Pro-America folks. These are the Right-Wingers.

  10. Tony
    3 years ago

    Vance, my positions are entirely within Catholic teaching, as I only form my beliefs around the Church's teachings. I think what is more the heart of the issue is that we are badly miscommunicating. Judging from your last few posts, it appears as if you have very much misunderstood many of my points, but that may be because I did not articulate them as well as I should have. Yes, I did say (and whole-heartedly believe) that FOX News should not - in any way - prove to influence Catholic teaching. The news that comes out of FOX news tends to be very right-wing in its ideology, which is entirely Protestant in effect. BUT... you are correct, I did not mention ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC... however, I will mention now that I also contend that the liberal biases found within those news stations should also not be allowed to influence a Catholic in making their soundly-formed opinions. I only chose to mention FOX News - instead of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC - because I did not want to preach to the choir, so to speak. The posters here seem to be extremely right-wing. Thus, I didn't think me condemning some of those liberal stations would particularly benefit anyone, since I'm sure almost none of you watch them anyway (I do not watch FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, or MSNBC... I stick to Catholic News agencies to inform my opinion). Vance, you seem to have been labeling me as a full-fledged liberal, but that is not the case at all. I am strictly Catholic. But I can understand that you may have mistaken me for a full-fledged liberal, since I have not said much to condemn liberal interpretations of Catholicism. I hope you now understand that I simply was not commenting on liberal Catholicism, as I was simply choosing to comment on what I found to be erroneous right-wing interpretations of Catholicism here. Again, I did not vote for Obama, but I did not vote for McCain either. I talked to my priest about this... I simply voted someone in. I couldn't justify voting for either. In any case, to address your immigration concerns... I think there has also been much miscommunication here. I was simply talking about 'attitudes' towards immigrants. I was simply talking about the Church's preferrential option for the poor. You seem to be talking about strict public policy. So we have been discussing the same issue, but on two different levels. The issue of drugs and sex slaves coming across the border are certainly to be condemned. I was never advocating for having open borders to the point where the US should let in anyone and everyone. I am with the Bishops (and of course the Catechism) in believing that countries have the right to protect their citizens, which means that people must be screened in order to come into the country. We shouldn't allow people suspect to committing crimes come into the country. I never advocated for that. Furthermore, I did not say that the final solution to world poverty is to have the entire world come to the US. That would of course not work. I do believe... as the bishops and the Church teach... that the basic solution to poverty is helping other nations empower themselves to support their own citizens. That is the long-run solution. But... what I did say is simply that honest illegal immigrants that come here should not be looked at in such a hateful and vile manner. They should be understood. and treated with mercy and compassion. Pope Benedict has said that deportation of illegal citizens of good nature should be condemned, and the Pope and the bishops have always advocated against deportation (of good, honest people - not drug dealers. You and I are speaking of different types of immigrants). Church teaching has always emphasized the preferential option for the poor, for welcoming the stranger, and for tending to the needs of others. Even Christ was an 'immigrant,' so to speak... when Christ was an infant, Mary and Joseph were commanded by an angel to flee to Egypt. They were immigrants, forced out of their home because of violence in their home. The Church has encouraged us to be supportive of the needs of immigrants. That is what I am arguing for. And you have to admit that the direction of the Church supports this basic idea (for Heaven's sake, look at the USCCB's website, read the Pope's comments on immigration). As for paid-abortions-on-demand.... I have no clue why you mentioned that. When did I say I supported that? I can see why you have misunderstood some of my previous points (due to my miscommunication), but I have no clue why you are mentioned paid-abortions-on-demand. When did I ever advocate that? Never. I am always against abortion, as the Church teaches, and I am of course against publicly funded abortion. Vance, I am only advocating universal health care - which is blatantly supported by the Catholic Church - but I am not advocating the current plan of health care reform (which the Bishops have also rejected for reasons due to abortion). Again, I am strictly following the Church's stance on all of these issues. I have shown ample sources to prove all of the points I have made. Do you have any Catholic sources to show that universal health care is not a universal right? No, you do not, because no such documents exist. The Church does advocate health care as being a universal right, but I am afraid your right-wing bias has gotten in the way of you clearly seeing that. Again, please do not attack me as being a 'liberal.' I am not a liberal. I am 100% faithful to the Church's teachings, and I have more than proved that with this post. The truth of the matter is that the Catholic Church is not liberal, nor is it right-wing. It is strictly Catholic, and no Catholic can hope to be both entirely right-wing and entirely Catholic, or entirely left-wing and entirely Catholic, for that matter. The Church transcends political ideology. We must be faithful to all of her teachings. God Bless.


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