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Surely "marriage" as defined by Catholic Church is not a civil right. Neither is Communion or Confirmation or any other Sacrament. Eating a lot is a choice and anybody has the civil right of being left alone (privacy) to do that if they choose to do so and live with the consequences.
However, "civil unions" or "marriages" in the civil sense as a legal contract between two consenting adults are a right by virtue of it being dispensed by the State to some citizens regardless of how disordered their appetites (felons and rapists can marry as well) and not others (equality).
The opinion of the Church is just an opinion and its ecumenical aspirations cannot include those who don't share that opinion. Even if I considered being catholic a "disordered appetite" I wouldn't make it illegitimate to believe in whatever people want to believe as long as it doesn't hurt others. Just like being obese or a philatelist.
So Keith let me ask you something; what civil rights do fat people lack? Are they not allowed to marry? My catholic adopted parents could not have children. According to your logic they should have never gotten married. There is nothing sick-minded about gay people. I honestly don't think the catholic church has any say about this matter.
Mike could I make a suggestion?
If your open to it go over to the Courage Apostolate and see what they are doing there for their group.
I also suggest you find a copy of Father Harvey's book Homosexuality and the Catholic Church Clear Answers to Difficult Questions.
Its very interesting read.
Mike, you're correct, our sexuality is biological. That is, being male or female. Sexuality is not defined by the sexual act or any kind of intercourse between genitals and body parts. Our sexuality is a HUGE part of who we are! Which is why it is so sacred and needs to be protected. The sex between a man and a man is not life giving, the sex between a woman is not life giving. Therefore, it has no soul. The relationship has no soul. And a body without a soul is dead. I agree that contraception plays a huge despicable role in the state of human relations in our present time. When life is not created from intercourse it becomes all about "me" all about pleasure and you've cut the purpose of sex in half! You do not have the full meaning of sex! Therefore you have a LIE. And Satan is the Father of Lies! Individuals confused with homosexual attractions are looking for love but they don't know how or where to find it. They didn't get what they needed as children (which none of us do) and they are so hungry and so confused by their hunger. Satan has baited them with lies that promise satisfaction but only give disease. It is so imperative to call homosexuality what it is- a lie. Because only by calling a spade a spade can these people walk freely in the truth. And calling upon the "gay gene" as an excuse is just another way to guard the lie. If we blame all our problems on genetics then we can keep them. We can keep our bad coping, we can keep all our dysfunctions, we can keep our indulgences and our appetites. Because we can't help it...right?
So can homosexuality and Christianity go together? NO. Has there ever been a "homosexual" saint? NO. And I put "homosexual" in quotations because I refuse to define these people by their sexual orientation. Woman is designed by God to receive and bear forth life which her and the man create together. Men were designed to give themselves as gift and when a woman receives that gift she is also a gift herself. "Making love" is the perfect word to describe the conjugal act! Because when a man and woman embrace rightly they are speaking VOLUMES in symbolism etched into their bodies of the love of God!
The homosexual act does no such thing.
Christ gave himself as gift to His bride, the Church. Holy Mother Church. That was the ultimate act of self giving love which we are all to imitate in whatever calling of life.
I am not a "heterosexual" I am so much more than that! And so are these people! If they would only see through the eyes of truth who they are and what their sexuality is they would be free! And they would not be so angry and so hurt. They could finally, finally, finally heal.
In His Kingship
may we all find peace in the truth.
Amen, Deacon. I'm so thankful that our Church has the courage to stand firm on the defense of marriage, and not be swayed by political climates and cultural opinions. Thank God in Heaven for the Catholic Church. Now, it's up to those of us who fill the pews to live up to our responsibilities as Catholics and actively defend marriage in our society by using our voices and our votes accordingly.
Sick people need help. Homosexuals and lesbians are sick-minded and need help. They are in opposition to the Law of God and the holy sacraments. Jean
Mike I'm sorry the truth hurts. You really made no reasonable arguement against anything in the aticle. Simply resorted to name calling Like so many you talk about the amount of overwhelming scientific evidence, but fail to actually mention any of it. The fact is its a disputed issue still. Myself I tend to think its a bit of both. Where exactly did the author say anyone was inferior? I submit you know he's right and don't like facing the truth/
This does not mean that homosexual persons are not often generous and giving of themselves; but when they engage in homosexual activity they confirm within themselves a disordered sexual inclination which is essentially self-indulgent.
WHAT IS ALSO ESSENTIALLY SELF-INDULGENT IS THE PRACTICE OF CONTRACEPTION WITHIN (OR WITHOUT) HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGES. WHY CAN'T CATHOLIC LEADERS SPEAK UP ABOUT CONTRACEPTION AND IT'S CLEAR CONNECTION TO THIS WHOLE MARRIAGE MESS WE ARE IN? VIRTUALLY EVERYONE ON ALL SIDES OF THIS DEBATE LOVE THEIR CONTRACEPTIVES. AS A RESULT, THE ANTI-GAY MARRIAGE FOLKS LOOK HYSTERICAL AND THE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE FOLKS APPEAR LOGICAL (THEY ARE AFTER ALL, JUST TRYING TO GET LEGAL RECONGNITION FOR A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS THE KIND PRACTICED BY HETEROSEXUAL FOLKS, ONE THAT IS SELF-CENTERED AND ANTI-LIFE). THIS WON'T BE FIXED IN OUR GENERATION, BUT MAYBE WE CAN SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOW THE SEEDS OF CHANGE FOR THE FUTURE. BUT FOR NOW, CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO GET THE SUFFERING THEY ASKED FOR WHEN THEY CONDONED THE USE OF CONTRACEPTIVES BACK IN 1930!
David Hart said, "Central to this argument is the notion that sexual orientation is choice."
This is not what is said in the article what is said is sexual behavior is a choice.
“Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.”