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  1. Brother MJ
    5 years ago

    First, if you are not Catholic then you perhaps do not understand the problem of having Obama speak at Notre Dame. If you are Catholic, then please read what the U.S. Catholic Bishops wrote in 2004: “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions. Indeed, the measure of any Catholic institution is not only what it stands for, but also what it will not stand for.”

    Every single day in our peaceful land of the United States, our President Obama is allowing 4000 innocent unborn children to be killed. And, without our approval, President Obama uses our tax dollars to pay for this killing.

    Second, you are not justified in criticizing the American Catholic Bishops, Bishop D’Arcy, other priests, the Catholic students at Notre Dame, and all others against Obama speaking at Notre Dame. No one is telling you what is right or wrong, and Catholics respect the different beliefs of others. You and President Obama choose your values and beliefs. If they are inconsistent with the values of Catholics, then this is a fact. Catholics respect your choice of values so please respect ours. All we are saying is that Obama’s beliefs are radically opposed to the Catholic Church beliefs so he should not be invited to Notre Dame – a private Catholic institution.

    Third, the Catholic Church has a concept referred to as Moral Equivalence. Basically, it says that not all sins are the same. For example, if you accidentally hit someone in your car and kill them, then you leave the scene, this is a sin. However, if you murder someone with premeditation, this is a more grave sin. As Catholics, we work to remove all sin but our focus and priority is on actions that are more sinful. Intellectually dishonest people will always try to compare less sinful actions with very sinful actions, or extremes with norms, to confuse and mislead people.

    Examples of this are the following comparisons/arguments:

    1. Comparing the less harmful sins of premarital sex, birth control, or masturbation with the more harmful sins of abortion or proclaimed homosexuality.

    2. Identifying the root-cause of the clergy sex-abuse problem as one of pedophilia, rather than the real problem of homosexuality. I believe that the Catholic Church perhaps did not handle the sex-abuse cases well. However, once it was determined that upwards of 90% of the so-called "pedophile" cases were homosexual in nature, the Catholic Church took steps to ensure that anyone who is homosexual or anyone who supports the homosexual culture does not make it through the Seminaries. This is ongoing today. Therefore, the Catholic Church has made this homosexual problem a first priority and concern. Anyone who says that Church has not dealt with this is wrong.

    3. Always trying to minimize the Catholic Faith by saying that many Catholics are divorced and many Catholics believe that Priests should be allowed to marry, or women should be allowed to be priests, etc.

    4. Bringing up Bush and the war when there's a discussion about abortion. War is complex and the Catholic Church is not against war in certain situations. A war does not come close to rising to the level of an evil act like the outright killing of thousands of innocent unborn children every day; especially, when the government forces you and I to pay taxes to pay for these abortions.

    5. Always bringing up social justice when there's a discussion about abortion. Social justice is complex like war. What is better, to give poor people money through welfare on an unlimited basis, or to compel poor people to work by limiting welfare? And, to what extent do you compel poor people to work? The Catholic Church gives so much and works so hard to support poor people and immigrants. They provide hospitals and schools and missionaries throughout the world. Social justice is absolutely a priority for the Church and this priority is not diminished by a focus on the more heinous crime of Obama allowing 4000 kids to die each day.

    You are being dishonest with yourself and everyone else when you compare less sinful actions with very sinful actions; or, extremes or exceptions with norms.

    Fourth, it appears that some feel it is important to allow Obama to speak at Notre Dame simply because he is the President of the United States.

    Let's say you're German, and Hitler was your President. You also are aware of what Hitler was doing to Jews, Catholics, gypsies, etc. However, you must respect the Office over and above the moral character of the person holding the office, so you're okay with him speaking at a commencement, and receiving honors? If you do support this Hitler-hypothetical, then your position is clear and we clearly don't see eye to eye. Of course you may say that this would never happen in America .......... but it is! Obama is okay with a doctor allowing a baby’s head to come out of a beautiful mother’s womb, then having the doctor puncture the baby's head with a tube and sucking the brains out ---- just horrible. At least the Jews got to just breathe gas and go to sleep. Remember, this is not a minor situation; 4000 helpless unborn kids are killed each day in the US.

    Do you think anyone invited ex-President Clinton to a commencement after his famous "I did not have sex with that woman" speech? Can you imagine the graduating students sitting in their seats visualizing Monica under Billy's desk in the Oval Office while Billy is speaking to them at commencement? This is another justifiable example of not honoring the Office of the President because the individual did not uphold the office with honor. Ohhhh, but you would not mind Billy speaking to your graduating child simply because he holds the title of "President"???

    Fifth, the core values of the Catholic Church are identified in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Whether you agree with them or not is a separate issue from Obama speaking at Notre Dame. However, if one proclaims to be Catholic, there is an understanding that their respective actions are consistent with these values. These Catholic Values are not opinion or subjective, they are clear.

    A private institution can establish rules, and if not followed, then one faces consequences. A private institution is free to do this and individuals and other institutions should respect this.

    If you are a Protestant, Jew, or Buddhist, I will respect your beliefs and how you wish to live by them and enforce them. At your university, if you choose to rescind an invitation to a speaker if their beliefs conflict with yours then it is your right, and I would be proud to see you are upholding your values. I have no right to question whether your decision is opinion-based or grounded in something more concrete (religious beliefs); as it is your religion and your institution.

    More important than your RIGHT to uphold your religious values, it is one's RESPONSIBILITY to do so. One problem with the Catholic Church has been, in an effort to be more ecumenical and sensitive to cultural and social issues, it has been soft in the area of fighting to uphold values. This has caused confusion in Catholics, and lead to a misunderstanding of what we believe in and stand for as Catholics. Fortunately, our like-minded Protestant and Mormon brothers and sisters, along with other religious groups, have fought for core values in the United States. In addition, our current Pope is blessed with clarity and is moving the Church in the right direction.

    Lastly, the Catholic Church is all welcoming, and everyone is a sinner. Therefore, we sit with and welcome all sinners. But hopefully, we are all REPENTANT sinners. Each person knows what they are doing wrong and each person tries to correct these weaknesses. With God's help and the ongoing support from the Church, we hopefully can overcome these weaknesses. However, in an extreme example, you will not be welcomed if you go into a Church or Catholic university and start proclaiming that the Pope is the devil and you support child molestation. Likewise, if you proclaim that you support the homosexual culture or abortions on demand, this is completely against the Church teachings and you should not be welcomed.

    Obama fully supports actions that are contrary to Church Teachings and publicly and consistently proclaims this. Notre Dame is a private religious institution with core values. Abortion is a very sinful act, especially in a premeditative situation. Obama wholeheartedly supports this premeditative system to ensure abortions are available for everyone including young kids, and throughout the world.

    Obama even supports not requiring these young 14-year old girls telling their parents about this surgical procedure. The facts about Obama are very clear AND HE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK, LET ALONE RECEIVE ANY HONORS AT NOTRE DAME.

    Someone wrote that these Notre Dame students spent over 6 figures on their education; so it would be nice to have the President speak to them to cap off their graduation. Just think about the "six-figure" message this it would send to the graduating students, and to the world, if Obama's invitation was rescinded? A Catholic institution having the courage to take a moral stand ... what a teaching moment/opportunity!!!

    From Dictionary.com: Honor is maintaining honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor. Notre Dame represents truth, courage, and winning with honor. As the Bishop said, let us maintain Notre Dame's integrity as the most well-known Catholic University in the world...! Go Fighting Irish.

    Veritas and God Bless

  2. Wilson
    5 years ago

    I fully support Fr. John Jenkins and his decision to have President Obama speak at the ND graduation. Your Right-Wing narrow mindedness and intolerance of others is what is destroying the Church I know and love. Please get out of your ivory towers and help find a solution that will actually stop abortion other than high-brow rhetoric that you are spouting off. Remember what our Lord taught us: “While He was at dinner in the house it happened that a number of tax collectors and sinners came to sit at the table with Jesus and His disciples. When the pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, ‘Why does your Master eat with tax collectors and sinners?’

    When He heard this He replied, ‘It is not the healthy who need the doctor but the sick. Go and learn the meaning of the words: What I want is mercy, not sacrifice. And indeed I did not come to call the virtuous, but sinners.’”

    (Matthew 9:10-13)

  3. Robert Berry
    5 years ago

    I think Notre Dame's degrees will become pieces of paper not worth anything if something isn't done. Same for Georgetowns. Why doesn't the Pope, Bishop of Rome, step up and do something about this?

  4. Maria
    5 years ago

    Fr Jenkins has chosen Obama over Jesus.

  5. Mari Bramhall
    5 years ago

    I believe Fr. Jenkins should be removed. He is a disgrace for Notre Dame ( OUR LADY ). I hope he has enough decency to quit on his own.

  6. Ireno Bello
    5 years ago

    i don't think he should resign. i think he should be removed.

  7. john the elder
    5 years ago

    This is not about free speech, this is about the teachings and doctrine of the Catholic Church. I emphasize doctrine.
    If Jenkins wanted dialogue with Obama, he could have called him in for a chat.
    Jenkins should be fired and those that do not agree with the Catholic Church should go to a secular university.
    The same thing should happen to Georgetown.

  8. James Jenkins
    5 years ago

    If your efforts to persuade Fr. Jenkins to resign fails - and I think he should resign... and your efforts to influence President Obama to 'turn down' the invitation to speak at the commencement because of controversity - which he won't because of politics... then take a stand and ask all graduating members and all alumni to boycott the commencement and NOT ATTEND THE CEREMONY. This actions sends a hugh statement of faith to the world.

  9. Ann S.
    5 years ago

    This is not an Issue about free speech, it about a university that is represented and connected to the Catholic Church. What goes on in any intitution with a conection to the church should reflect its teachings.
    Anyone who does not agree should not go to this school.
    Hopefully, we Catholic's will learn a lesson from this and join together to take back our Catholic collages and Universities as well as our pride in being Catholic.

  10. Dalton
    5 years ago

    Jesus Says,"Who Do You Say That I AM? Are you for Me , or are you against ME? " To those that are lacking in their Catholic faith in support of Obamas' address at Notre Dame, I say to you; do you hear these words that Jesus says; or are you against Him?


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